Helen and Sarah sit down with Professor Amy Marvin, a philosopher who specializes in feminist philosophy and trans theory. We discuss the relationship between chasers, transphobia, and ruinous obsession, and ask how that intersects with stand-up comedy.

Amy Marvin's forthcoming book will be titled Trans Fascination, and you can also check out her work here: https://philpeople.org/profiles/amy-marvin

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