We are living in a time when cruelty is normalized, war is justified as inevitable, and violence is often explained away as simply “human nature.” But what if that story is wrong?

On this episode of Nonviolence Radio, we speak with peace anthropologist Doug Fry about the evidence — archaeological, cross-cultural, and contemporary — that challenges the assumption that humans are wired for war. Drawing on decades of research, Fry explores peace systems, restraint, interdependence, and the ways societies have sustained nonviolence across history.

If war had conditions that gave rise to it, then it is not destiny. And if peace has deeper roots in our human story than we’ve been taught, then reclaiming human sanity may begin with reclaiming the truth about who we are.

As Fry reminds us, the task is not to debate whether change is possible — but to act:

“I don’t waste my time thinking whether this is possible or not. Take steps to try to get it done. I fail or I succeed. And if I fail, back to the drawing board. Try something else. Do it. Do it better. Do something different.”