My guest this week is forensic psychologist Dr. Jeffrey Smalldon. He shares stories from decades of correspondence, prison visits, and interviews with some of America’s most notorious killers, including Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, and John Wayne Gacy. His memoir is called "That Beast Was Not Me: One Forensic Psychologist, Five Decades of Conversations with Killers".

The author's website: ⁠https://jeffreysmalldon.com/

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