In this episode, we’re joined by Des Linden — Boston Marathon champion, Olympian, and one of the most respected voices in distance running.

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At this stage of her career, Des is stepping away from elite road racing and embracing something completely different: ultrarunning.

She’s preparing for the Marathon des Sables, a multi-day race across the Sahara Desert — and somehow also planning to be at Boston… and London… right after.

We cover:

• Why she’s taking on Marathon des Sables

• How her training has changed (heat, weight, and nutrition)

• Her transition from marathon to ultra distances

• The mindset shift after “retirement” from elite racing

• Boston Marathon strategy and advice

• The current state of elite running

• Doping, trust, and the future of the sport

• Her podcast with Kara Goucher

• What’s next for her career

This is a candid, insightful conversation about evolving as an athlete and what comes after you’ve already reached the top.

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