In this episode, Lisa Hellman (Bonn University) is interviewed by Edmond Smith about her research, exploring the border-making in the semi-nomadic Dzungar realm in the seventeenth and eighteenth century. The Dzungar empire stretched from modern-day Siberia to modern-day Xinjiang, and challenged the Russian and the Qing empire alike, and a focus on their border making sparked a discussion about the methods and future of global history.