Learning How to Hold Space for Others with Cindy Lee

Dec 4, 2025
51 mins

Episode Description

How can we de-Westernize spirituality and honor our full humanity within systems that often diminish it?

On this episode of Learning How to SeeDr. Cindy Lee, a spiritual director and author, joins hosts Brian McLaren and Carmen Acevedo Butcher for a conversation on de-Westernizing spirituality and holding space for the lived experience of others. Cindy shares how her work with BIPOC communities revealed the limits of Westernized spiritual formation, and how confronting the “Western missionary gaze” can open us to seeing our cultures — and ourselves — with dignity rather than judgment.  

Resources:

  • Read Howard Thurman's "The Sound of the Genuine" here.
  • Find the transcript of this episode⁠ ⁠here.⁠⁠

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