Fredrik chats to Dylan Beattie about Rockstar, esoteric programming languages (Perl in latin, anyone?), and what might happen after the AI bubble.

AI will ruin jokes, they can't do things just right. But some things hiding under the label are actually useful as well. Have we been in any similarly strange bubbles before, and what might be left that's useful after it?

Also evolution, revolution, and strange Scrabble facts.

Recorded during Øredev 2025.

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Links

• Dylan
• Dylan also has a podcast - Tech, bugs & rock'n'roll
• Dylan's presentation at Øredev 2025: Rockstar 2.0: building an esoteric language interpreter in .NET
• Rockstar
• Formal grammar
• Esoteric programming languages
• Damian Conway
• Perl
• Perl in Latin - the paper and the module
• Latin
• Inflectional grammar
• Domain-specific languages
• Lilypond - Scheme dialect for sheet music
• Context-free grammar
• Engraving - the art of creating sheet music
• codewithrockstar.com
• Support us on Ko-fi!
• Scrabble
• Metal umlaut
• Piet - the language which should have been called Mondrian
• Piet Mondrian
• Mondrian - the undeserving tool
• Turing completeness
• The Buster Keaton house scene
• The dot-com bubble
• The subprime mortgage crisis
• Enron
• Douglas Adams
• Three mile island
• Windows Vista
• Tim Berners-Lee
• Solid - Tim's project of holding your data locally
• Ellipsis - sponsor of the week: we edit Kodsnack, and we can edit your podcast too!
• The emperor's new mind
• Quantum computing
• Hadamard gate
• The linebreakers - Dylan's band of conference speakers
• ASML

Titles

• Always good fun that one
• The version of the story that I tell in the talk
• Enough clichés
• Resident mad scientist of the Perl community
• Felis commidet piscem
• Always the cat that is eating
• Lexical flexibility
• Fundamentally, programming is programming
• A big win for everyone
• Linguistic conventions and extended alphabets
• That's a different letter
• Regional assumptions
• German ortography
• A piece of impressionist art
• Hang it on the wall
• Something hidden in something else
• Physical comedy at its greatest
• Money people believe exists
• The amount of pretend money
• It has to come from reality
• Fortunately, I do not have a trillion dollars
• Quietly siphoned off
• Emotionally flat
• What can I steal from?
• A little LLM that works for you
• A spectacular collapse
• A billion lines of crap
• Pruning the decision tree
• Fix the next milestone in the public consciousness
• Five years of excitement, five years of disappointment
• Overdue for a little disappointment
• Reliant on Dutch technology