This week, Natalie talks to journalist and biographer Amy Odell about her new book, Gwyneth: The Biography, and Marty Supreme. They also discuss Gwyneth’s early Hollywood power plays, the Miramax years, and how Goop turned controversy into an empire.

To hear more from Amy, check out her podcast Back Row with Amy Odell.

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