Episode Description
This week, Nora and Marcus sit down with author and activist Ijeoma Oluo for a searching conversation about movement work, harm, belonging, and the radical choice to stay. Together, they explore the personal cost of speaking truth, the wounds movements can inflict on their own, and what it means to build the world we long for now—not after revolution, but through the way we live, love, and struggle every day. It's a deeply honest conversation about survival, accountability, joy, and choosing community even when it hurts.
Mentioned in the episode:
If You Decide To Stay | Be a Revolution | Gabriel Teodros | Ahamefule J. Oluo | Washington State Book Awards
More from Ijeoma Oluo:
Behind the Book | So You Want to Talk About Race | Mediocre: The Dangerous Legacy of White Male America:
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