John welcomes Democratic Texas state representative James Talarico to discuss the escalating war over redistricting kicked off by Lone Star State Republicans. In the wake of Texas's enactment of a new congressional map sought by Donald Trump and designed to deliver five House seats to the GOP in next year’s midterms, Talarico explains why the two-week walkout by him and 56 of his colleagues succeeded despite the map’s adoption—by spurring blue states such as California to strike back with gerrymanders of their own. Talarico, a 36-year-old pastor and former sixth-grade teacher, also discusses his star-making recent turn on Joe Rogan’s podcast, the possibility he’ll soon be running for Senate, and the need for Democrats to start “flipping tables” (like Jesus in the Temple) to save American democracy from Trump and MAGA.

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