Happy Pride part 2! Today, Jake and Brooke dive back into the tragic world of Bringing Up Boys to talk about the rot under the hood. While they tear apart conversion therapy and its proponents, there are also big laughs and lots of silliness. The two genders.

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Some medical organizations statements against conversion therapy:

American Medical Association: https://www.ama-assn.org/system/files/conversion-therapy-issue-brief.pdf

American Psychological Association: https://www.apa.org/topics/lgbtq/evidence-against-conversion-therapy

American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy: https://plus.aamft.org/chiles-v-salazar-faq/

References:

The Patrick Custer Show. (2025, December 12). Michael Passons (Pt 1) Breaks Silence: His Truth About Avalon, Christian Music & 20‑Year Return [Video]. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmWXtnECYP0

The Patrick Custer Show. (2025, December 23).Michael Passons' Full Story (Pt 2): Forced Out of Avalon, Out of The Closet & Conversion Therapy [Video]. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ9ctLW-2Yo

Skinner, J. (Host). (2020, September 22). Michael Passons [Audio Podcast Episode]. In Jonah and the Whale. Lasting Media Group. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/jonah-and-the-whale/id1396748811

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