Wyna Liu is the maker of one of Hank's favorite games: Connections. In the New York Times game, players sort 16 words into four categories. Wyna and Hank geek out on what makes a great puzzle, why low-stakes activities matter, and how a category game ended up funding some of the best journalism in the world. Plus: Wyna hits Hank hard with the idea that no effort is wasted when you're a maker.

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