Episode Description
Highlights:
- Why the AI application layer is far more resilient than many investors believe.
- The two AI infrastructure layers Lucas believes will generate the most enduring returns.
- Why companies above $10B may actually produce better venture outcomes than earlier-stage startups.
- How OpenAI and Anthropic continue extending their lead despite rapid industry innovation.
- Why talent has become the ultimate competitive moat in AI.
- How Coatue thinks about NVIDIA, custom silicon, and the next generation of chip companies.
- Why AI is making high-performing organizations more productive instead of replacing them.
- The biggest mistakes investors are making during today's AI investment cycle.
Guest Bio:
Lucas Swisher is a Co-Head of Growth Investing at Coatue Management, where he co-leads growth investing and software investing with a focus on AI, enterprise software, and cybersecurity. He has helped oversee Coatue's investments in OpenAI, Anthropic, SpaceX, and Databricks. Previously, he worked at Kleiner Perkins, Insight Partners, and Delivery Hero, and graduated from Harvard University.
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(0:00) Who Captures the Value Created by AI? (0:38) Will Foundation Models Crush AI Applications? (2:01) How to Identify Durable AI Companies (5:29) Why Frontier Models Keep Pulling Ahead (11:13) Is the Mag Seven Already Dead? (16:40) The Two AI Layers Coatue Is Most Bullish On (19:24) Why OpenAI and Anthropic Are Growing So Fast (26:13) Will AI Replace Jobs or Create More? (35:17) The Surprising Data Behind 10x Companies (37:43) Why Talent Beats Technology (44:52) The Biggest Bottleneck Holding AI Back (48:00) Can Anyone Challenge NVIDIA? (53:44) The Biggest Mistakes AI Founders Are Making (57:26) Where AI Investors Are Most Likely to Lose Money (59:39) What Lucas Changed His Mind About in AI (1:01:05) Why Coatue's Public + Private Strategy Matters (1:02:36) The Career Advice Lucas Wishes He Learned Earlier