Dr. Tom Pinkson, a psychologist and ceremonial leader, explored his work integrating indigenous wisdom and psychedelic medicine. The discussion highlighted the difference between the shamanic approach, which honors the spirit of the plant and emphasizes interconnectedness, and the clinical model.

Dr. Pinkson stressed the importance of a community-focused perspective, moving from an "it's about me" to an "it's about we" mindset for healing. He also discussed his personal journey and the ethical use of psychedelics, which he believes requires recognizing the need for gratitude and giving back to nature's forces.