Last month our colleague Lulu Garcia-Navarro had a conversation with Wikipedia’s co-founder Jimmy Wales about the challenges the site is facing — including by right-wing influencers who claim it is biased and by A.I. chatbots that compete with its content.

We found the conversation interesting, and think you might too. So to tide you over until our special holiday episode on Friday, we’re bringing you that conversation from the New York Times podcast “The Interview.”

Guests: 

• Jimmy Wales, co-founder of Wikipedia and author of “The Seven Rules of Trust: A Blueprint for Building Things That Last”

Additional Reading:

• The Culture Wars Came for Wikipedia. Jimmy Wales Is Staying the Course.
• Elon Musk Challenges Wikipedia With His Own A.I. Encyclopedia
• Elon Musk Groks Wikipedia

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