Caitlin and Trent talk with Jonathan Howard, a neurologist, psychiatrist, and author of *Everyone Else Is Lying to You* and *We Want Them Infected*, both books analyzing the policies and discourses around the COVID-19 pandemic.

Resources

Science-Based Medicine website: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/

*Everyone Else Is Lying to You*: https://bookshop.org/a/115699/9781959346999

*We Want Them Infected*: https://bookshop.org/a/115699/9781959346036

Zeb Larson, "Propaganda, Rather than Pandemic Policies, Caused the War on Public Health" https://www.liberalcurrents.com/propaganda-rather-than-pandemic-policies-caused-the-war-on-public-health/

"crank magnetism" https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/critical-thinking-pseudoscience/crank-magnetism-weston-price-foundation