Cybersecurity didn’t start as a billion-dollar crime machine. It started as pranks, ego, and curiosity. That origin story explains almost everything that’s breaking today.

Ron sits down with Graham Cluley, one of the earliest antivirus developers turned trusted cyber voice, to trace how malware evolved from digital graffiti into organized financial warfare. From floppy disks and casino-style viruses to ransomware, extortion, and agentic AI, the conversation shows how early decisions still shape today’s most dangerous assumptions. Graham also explains why AI feels inevitable, but still deeply unfinished inside modern organizations.

Impactful Moments
00:00 - Introduction
04:16 - Malware before money existed
07:30 - Cheesy biscuits changed cybersecurity
13:10 - When documents became dangerous
14:33 - Crime replaced curiosity
15:23 - Sony proved no one was safe
20:15 - Reporting hacks without causing harm
24:01 - AI replacing penetration testers
29:18 - Agentic AI shifts the threat model
36:30 - Why rushing AI breaks trust

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