We already understand many of the world’s biggest problems. So why are they still unsolved? A lot of the science is in. We know what is driving climate change, biodiversity loss, and pressure on global food systems. But knowledge alone does not create change. Somewhere between evidence and action, people have to make decisions. This episode explores that space.

Using food systems as a case study, this conversation looks at what happens when science, policy, and lived experience meet. It asks who gets to shape solutions, how decisions are actually made, and why simple answers often fall short.

Featuring Amanda Harding and Sarah Glavan of Convene, the discussion introduces the idea of deliberate dialogue. Carefully designed spaces where farmers, researchers, policymakers, and communities work through complex challenges together. Not by avoiding disagreement, but by working through it.

Across this conversation:

• Why scientific knowledge does not automatically translate into action
• How power, culture, and politics shape environmental decision making
• What science-policy-society interfaces actually look like in practice
• Why listening may be just as important as producing evidence

At the center of it all is a simple idea.

Science can help us understand the world.

But changing it requires something more human.

Episode Guests: Amanda Harding and Sarah Glavan

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