In this episode of the Granta Podcast we speak to Zoe Dubno, author of Happiness and Love (2025), whose short story ‘The Full Package’ appeared in Granta 166: Generations.

We discuss her novel, Happiness and Love, its relationship to Thomas Bernhard’s Woodcutters, and the differences between homage and appropriation.

Leo Robson is a cultural journalist whose work has appeared in the London Review of Books, the New Yorker, and the New Left Review, among other publications. He is the author of The Boys (2025).

Josie Mitchell is senior editor at Granta.