On this episode of Going Underground, we speak to Dr. Dmitri Trenin, Member of Russia’s Foreign and Defence Policy Council and former Director of the Carnegie Moscow Center. He discusses the significance of Victory Day amid the NATO-Russia proxy war in Ukraine, what ‘victory’ looks like for Russia in Ukraine and why it is likely to be a long war, whether Russia has failed to seize the opportunities presented by a Trump Presidency and Russia’s reasons for showing restraint, Europe’s increasing involvement in the proxy war, Europe’s use of hostility towards Russia to consolidate itself, why Trump has been powerless to end the war, China’s changing attitude to dealing with the US and why Trump is seeking a pause in the conflict with Beijing, and much more.

Chapters

• (00:00:00) - Russia celebrates Victory Day 2019
• (00:01:40) - Putin on Russia's War in Europe
• (00:14:49) - Putin's Plan to End the Ukraine War
• (00:28:01) - Going Undercover: Trump's Wars of Aggression