In this Global Roaming limited series, Hamish Macdonald and Geraldine Doogue are inviting big thinkers from different fields to consider how Australia can not just survive - but thrive - in a more challenging world. 

In this episode former Secretary of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade Peter Varghese attempts to shake Australia out of our complacency and excite us about the potential of new foreign policy possibilities. 

Peter's recommendations:

• The Golden Road by William Dalrymple - you can find our conversation with William the link to his new book HERE
• Why Great Powers Sleepwalk to War — A Masterclass with Hugh White - Joe Walker podcast 

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