In the latest episode of Futureverse, Molly Wood and Ramanan Raghavendran continue the conversation with author and visionary Kim Stanley Robinson. In Part 2, they discuss utopia (!), with Robinson pointing out that surviving the 21st century without a mass extinction event is the first step toward a utopian future.

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