Recorded on: 3 August 2025

How do two recovering perfectionists learn to be bad at things like learning a new language or playing a new videogame? And not just learn to be bad at them, but enjoy being bad at them?

Speaking of being bad at things, Keenan and Halsted talk about talking to strangers at parties. Halsted shares the best conversation starter she knows. And don’t forget your complimentary cocktail lemon.

Not-footnotes:

• “Should I Bring a Gift for My Host?” — Emily Post Institute
• “The “10,000-hour rule” was debunked again. That’s a relief.” — Brian Resnick, for Vox

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