Fi and Jane are joined by the broadcaster Julian Worricker. The voice of The World Tonight on Radio 4 and Weekend on the World Service chats to two of his fellow former 5Live colleagues. Their conversation includes insights on lichen varieties across the UK, a masterclass on verbal interception and rumination on the next Eurovision. Outside Julian's appearance there is a moment of understanding about Martin Clunes and Jane is full of golfing bravado. (I'm a bot).

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