#16 Nilou Khonsari: Collectivism isn't radical, we just forgot how to do it

April 2
39 mins

Episode Description

"Collective care feels like an exhale — like finally being able to breathe at work." – Nilou Khonsari

Most organizations that say they value collective care don't actually build for it. They write values statements, flatten a few org chart lines, and hope the culture follows. (spoiler: it doesn't.)

Nilou Khonsari spent ten years co-building Pangaea Legal Services, a nationally recognized immigrant justice nonprofit, into a model of what collective governance actually looks like in practice. Through her book The Future Is Collective, she helps organizations build structures that truly reflect their values.

Anna and I did a full winter book club around this one.
(We ate it up. I read every word of the appendices.)

This conversation gets into hardcore collective scaffolding:

  • The difference between advice process, modified consensus, and consent-based decision making
  • What Nilou learned from almost paying her co-founder $1,000 less than herself
  • How equal pay worked beautifully at Pangaea for years, until it didn't
  • How to redesign a nonprofit board so the people closest to the work are the ones driving it
  • Boundaries as a collective practice, not a personal one

And woven throughout: Strange Birds' own messy, ongoing, in-progress attempt to enact a lot of this fun stuff ourselves.


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