Rhiannon Firth joins me to discuss Journey Through Utopia, Mary Louise Berneri's anarchist survey of utopian thinking. Rhiannon and I discuss why so many utopias seem so totalitarian, and how we can imagine a better world without falling into that trap.

Here's a link to the Berneri book: https://www.pmpress.org/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1008

And Rhiannon's book Disaster Anarchy: https://www.plutobooks.com/product/disaster-anarchy/