Everyone agrees we need to build clean energy — fast. Solar, wind, transmission lines, geothermal. But when Congress tried to speed things up, even environmentalists split. The fight over permitting reform revealed something deeper: a clash between those who want to build faster and those who want to build perfectly.

In this episode of Everybody Gets Pie, we dig into why speeding up clean energy has become so hard and why even people who agree on the goal can’t agree on how to get there.

We talk with investor and climate leader Tom Steyer about capitalism’s role in fighting climate change, how bad policy can stall good projects, and what it really takes to build fast and fair in America.

Because if we can’t fix our systems to build clean energy quickly, we may never fix the climate at all.

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