Why has Iran refused to break under decades of American and Israeli pressure? What really sustains the Islamic Republic? And what does this war reveal about the fractures in the global order?Nasr argues that reducing Iran to a theocracy misses the point entirely.------------------

About the Guest:Vali Nasr served as Dean of the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS) and as Senior Advisor to the U.S. Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan. He is the author of several landmark books, including The Dispensable Nation, The Shia Revival, and his most recent, Iran’s Grand Strategy — which frames much of the conversation in this episode.About the host:Gita Wirjawan is an Indonesian entrepreneur and educator. He is the founding partner of Ikhlas Capital and the chairman of Ancora Group. Currently, he is teaching at Stanford as a visiting scholar with Stanford's Precourt Institute for Energy.------------------Get your copy of Gita Wirjawan’s book, “What It Takes: Southeast Asia”, NOW:https://books.endgame.id/Also available on Amazon:https://sgpp.me/amazon/Leave your review here:www.goodreads.com/book/show/241922036-what-it-takes------------------You might also like:https://youtu.be/oT4OcBYEZac?si=RL9-S29Ljw9yWjb-https://youtu.be/rsi7cDRUrmE?si=tvu8hd9rRPFm5FIZhttps://youtu.be/eMNiQEmU4kc?si=tk0Q8L1nJv6SHh0q------------------