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Few issues affect as many people, as quietly and as deeply, as addiction.
In this episode of Ella Podcasts, we explore the reality of addiction — not just as a behaviour, but as something far more complex. Is addiction a disease, a choice, or a coping mechanism? And why do some people recover, while others struggle to break the cycle?
From alcohol and drugs to social media, work, gambling and even exercise, addiction can take many forms - often hiding in plain sight.
Joining me are:
🔹 Dr. Jonathan Marshall – Clinical psychologist and former professor
🔹 Nick Jonsson – Executive coach specialising in addiction recovery and behavioural change
🔹 Avni Martin – Leadership coach and inner transformation specialist
Together, we unpack the psychology, biology and emotional drivers behind addiction — and what it really takes to overcome it.
💬 In this episode, we discuss:
* whether addiction is a disease, a choice, or something in between
* how trauma, pain and unmet emotional needs can drive addictive behaviour
* why addiction is often less about pleasure — and more about escaping discomfort
* the role of dopamine, habits and environment in reinforcing addiction
* why some addictions are socially accepted (like alcohol) while others are criminalised
* whether you need to hit “rock bottom” to recover — and why that idea may be misleading
* how relapse happens and why it’s often part of the recovery journey
* the importance of replacing addiction with healthier structures, habits and community
* how stigma, shame and judgment can prevent people from seeking help
* the difference between high-functioning addiction and visible breakdown
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🔑 KEY TAKEAWAYS
* Addiction is rarely just about willpower — it often has deeper emotional roots
* Trauma and pain can significantly increase vulnerability to addiction
* You don’t need to hit rock bottom to start recovery
* Healing often requires addressing emotional, mental and physical layers
* Community, connection and support are critical for long-term change
* Replacing habits — not just removing them — is key to recovery
* Relapse doesn’t mean failure — it can be part of the process
* With the right support, change is possible for most people
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Addiction isn’t just about substances or behaviours — it’s about what we’re trying to escape, avoid, or feel.
This episode is a reminder that behind every addiction is a human story — and that recovery begins not with judgment, but with understanding.