What do you get when you put two passionate rapping educators on the Dr. thOTs podcast? An episode jam packed with stories, history, pedagogical strategies, and more. Khalilah and Ryan welcome Drs. Jian Jones and Donovan Livingston to the podcast to talk all things hip hop pedagogy. Bringing beats, bars, and banter to your earbuds, these two know how to take hip and make it hop. Transforming students and claiming space, these two keep it real in the classroom. Highlights include: Donovan gets one dad joke, Khalilah finds time for freedom, Jian has a feminist t-shirt, and Ryan becomes a choir director.