David Manheim (00:17.614)
Welcome to another episode of Dopey, the podcast on drugs, addiction and dumb shit. And Monday we engage in the Dopey total replay show. And today's episode is Dopey episode seven, a classic Dopey episode.

Chris used to edit all the shows and name all the shows and write descriptions for all the shows. So Dopey episode seven was called Dopey seven and no space between Dopey and seven, which was an interesting choice of Chris's. Bob Forrest, Dr. Drew, Psych Ward, Anti-Psychosis, Hal Dahl, Detox, Rehab, Recovery, Dope, Crack, Heroin.

trauma.

And then it says, crazy stories of addiction. It used to be, it used to have a big list of all the drugs. That was Chris's first huge innovation in the world of Dopey. We would put out the show and then we started to include drugs in the actual title of every episode. would like say weed, LSD, heroin, coke, crack, meth. And I think because of that, iTunes

took the show down. I it was in 2018, 2019, and it was the summertime and I was at the lake, my father's opulent lake house, and they took the show down and it was so scary. And it took about a month to get it back up there, but I took all the drugs out of the title and it seemed to do the trick. We're planning our summer vacation, and I was thinking about last summer's vacation and

David Manheim (02:12.558)
You know, we had flown into Salt Lake City, Utah, and traveled around some national parks, which was incredible, and went back to Salt Lake City to leave. And that's when Instagram took us down. It's just funny that all these things happen when we're on trips. And if anybody's never listened to the first few episodes, first 141 episodes of Dopey, first 142 episodes of Dopey,

It was me and my friend Chris and Chris I met in treatment at a place called Mountainside, which has been sponsoring us, which we love. And it was in Connecticut and me and Chris told each other stories. And when I first got sober, he was like, we should do something creative. And we started making this show and we made it for 142 episodes. And then Chris relapsed and he died. And I kept making the show.

And now that we're doing the five days of Dopey, this is the opportunity to do a total replay of Dopey on Mondays for the next 135 Mondays, you will get an old, old episode of Dopey. And I'm incredibly excited about it. And Chris and I were obsessed with, and I use air quotes, the Dopey, hitting you with the Dopey.

And I think as the show has gone on, the hitting with the dopey has not been as consistent as we liked it to be back then. But just for Chris, I'm going to read this ridiculously dopey email from super dope James D Hart. Hey Dave, what's up man? About seven years ago, I was strung out on speed and living in Cleveland. I was supposed to be saving money to move out to Arizona where my son was living with his mother. But during the five or six months,

that I was separated from my son and living in a different state, I completely lost it. I was shooting up speed and gobbling Xanax, a dangerous combo. Of course, I lost my job and then ended up homeless. At the very end, I was literally living in an abandoned house with no electricity in the winter. Thank God my son's mother was able to get me a plane ticket and set up a sober living house for me to move directly into when I got there straight off the plane. I knew the routine.

David Manheim (04:33.398)
I'd been in and out of detoxes, rehabs, and sober livings for years. This wasn't my first rodeo. And honestly, even though I was going through the motions, I still had a reservation in the back of my mind that I wanted to use drugs again. Not long after that, I was prescribed Wellbutrin. I already knew from reading online that people abused it and I decided to try it. I didn't want to do real drugs because I didn't want to pop up dirty on a drug test, but I still wanted to catch a buzz.

I crushed and snorted one of the highest dose pills within minutes. It felt exactly like meth. The high only lasted about a half an hour and the crash was awful. I felt useless for the rest of the day. So the next day I had a bright idea to avoid the horrible crash. I just snored another pill as soon as I felt like I was coming down from the last one. From there, I just kept going, doing more each time. Eventually I borrowed a housemate's bike.

grabbed the whole bottle and took off with no plan and no idea where I was going. I ended up in a Wendy's bathroom snorting another pill with chunks literally falling out of my nose. I know that feeling. My thinking was completely gone. I had to try to come down a little because I was way too zooted. So I bought a Benzodrax inhaler. I don't know how this is. Broken open and swallowed the cotton and washed it down with some Powerade.

Benzadrex makes you feel like you're on a smacked out ecstasy pill. That's the only way I can describe it. A dopey ecstasy pill. That was one of the origins of the name dopey that I loved. Dopey ecstasy. Anyway, that's the only way to describe it. I thought it didn't show up on a drug test, but when I started reading anecdotal reports online saying people were dropping dirty from using it and I completely freaked out. At this point,

I figured I was already screwed so I might as well do what I really wanted. I quickly found out how easy it was to buy crystal meth from random people in Arizona. I copped a 20 bag that was huge from somebody at a light rail station. It was around midnight. I went into the bathroom of some sports bar and I ended up doing the entire bag of speed. I normally prefer shooting it but I didn't have a rig so I turned it into one huge line.

David Manheim (06:58.262)
I snorted half of it and ate the other half. I completely forgot about the bike I borrowed. I was more spun out than I'd ever been. At some point, as I was walking through some unknown neighborhood aimlessly, I suddenly saw a flashlight pointing directly at me and someone yelled, hey you. Of course, I assumed it was a cop. So I took off running fast as hell. I was cutting through backyards from one yard to the next, having to jump these eight foot high.

brick walls that separated people's property.

I wonder, could this all really be true? James, please write in another follow up to let me know if this was true. Eight foot brick walls, multiple. I must have jumped at least six of them, but on the last attempt, my leap, my last attempted leap, my right leg stopped working. It was like a wet noodle. I gave up, put my hands in the air and said, I give up. I don't know where they all came from, but suddenly there were like five cops hemming me up.

I was honest and told them I was in recovery and I had relapsed earlier and then I panicked. Instead of taking me to jail, they brought me to the hospital. I actually didn't leave that hospital for two weeks. For the first couple of days, I was in the psych wing and they were giving me medication just to calm me down. Once things settled and they moved me into a regular room, tests showed I had torn my ACL. Yes, that explained why I suddenly couldn't walk anymore.

But the main reason they kept me there was because I had massively over exerted myself jumping those eight foot walls like I was Spider-Man and it actually caused Rabdo myelosis. The doctor explained that Rabdo is a serious, potentially fatal condition caused by extreme muscle breakdown. When it happens, a protein called myoglobin gets released into your bloodstream. It's toxic to your kidneys and liver. If it gets bad enough, it can kill you.

David Manheim (09:00.056)
The only way to treat rhabdomyolysis is to keep you in the hospital for about two weeks while they pump you full of IV fluids and medication to flush it out of your system. The doctor told me flat out that I was lucky to be alive. When I was discharged, they gave me a prescription for 10 milligram oxys, the little ones that you can snort. I filled it right there at the hospital pharmacy downstairs, went into the bathroom and snorted some of them. But I couldn't even enjoy it because of the guilt I felt.

So I called my sponsor and he came and picked me up and we disposed of the rest of the pills and that same sober living house accepted me again. But the entire time I was in the hospital, I was being given IV dilaudids and those 10 milligram, I was being given IV dilaudid and those 10 milligram oxys all day long. So before I could go back to the sober house, I had to go to this 72 hour detox place.

Anybody who's been through detoxing from opiates knows that your sexual sensations start waking up. This is great. Start waking up and you become immediately extremely sensitive in that way. So the first time I decided to go into the bathroom and crank one out. my God. When I finally climaxed, what came out of me wasn't normal at all. It wasn't semen. It was straight blood like a horror movie. I was ready to go straight

back to the emergency room. I'm sorry. Bad. But instead I called the nurse's hotline. She told me that as scary as it looked, it probably wasn't as serious as it seemed. She asked me about everything I'd been through, especially all the running and jumping over the walls and said most likely I ruptured something during that ordeal. She told me it should go away in a couple of weeks, but I kept a very close eye on it or but I should keep a very close eye on.

For the next few days, I was completely freaked out and petrified. I was thinking that I was going to be ejaculating blood for the rest of my life. I kept testing it out to see if it was still happening. Every single time, it was pure blood coming out. This is like one of the most disturbing emails I've ever read. Just, James, just so you know. And for everybody else. Finally, after a few days and probably like 20 test experiments on myself,

David Manheim (11:21.984)
It finally stopped and the normal stuff started coming out again. Thank God. For a while, I honestly thought no girl would ever want to be with me unless it was some crazy goth vampire girl who was into that kind of stuff. There's so much more to this story, but let me stop here because this is getting long. So stay strong Dopey Nation and fucking toodles for Chris. JD James Dehart. Amazing story, James. Amazing. Amazing, amazing.

Yeah, if anybody has a coming blood story, please send it to DopeyPodcast at gmail.com. Serious fucking dopey story. Thank you, James. Thank you for listening and for for participating so much, James. I really, really do appreciate it. Now, if you know me or if you listen to the show, you know I've become totally obsessed with Spotify comments. Also, iTunes reviews are good, but

There are some really negative iTunes reviews about me, so I'm a little traumatized to ask for iTunes reviews. So I asked for Spotify comments because also it comments on the actual episode. So last week on the Dopey Total replay, we played episode five, which was Chris masturbating with the skinhead on meth at the brain injury clinic, which is one of my all time favorites. And these are the comments.

Okay, we commented on this last Tuesday show. I'd love some suggestions on how to improve feeling gratitude. I can honestly say, this is from Sean, I don't feel it very much, even though I know I should, I have it pretty good. Yeah, we talked about it on last week's Tuesday show, but I'm gonna say, just make a decision. And like, even if you don't believe in God, ask God or your higher power to show you gratitude. And then this is from Kill Ice Agents.

Hey Dave, I haven't listened in a bit because I was all cut up with the episodes a few months ago. And then I went back to a random one where you had Ukrainian, Jesus, Ukrainian Danny on and he mentioned his podcast. I broke the Cardinal sin of Dopey by then listening to every episode of It's All Bad. I feel like Chris would have really loved that podcast and would have been able to lay down some heavy Dopey on.

David Manheim (13:44.374)
I love coming back to see the old episodes and this one is such a classic. Toodles for Chris. Thank you, Kill Ice Agents. Kyle Radewski comments on the voicemail. That was the best dentist story. Steve Guy, this is too much lol. Chris was crazy. May he rest in peace. Toodles. Alright. So thank you guys for the comments. If you want a sticker for leaving a comment, send in a note with your address saying you had a Spotify comment.

Leave Spotify comments on this episode on Spotify too. And now we're going to get to episode 107. It was our first over an hour episode and it was Chris telling how he had gone to treatment and been treated by Bob Forrest and Dr. Drew. And this was of course, before we realized we had any idea that we would ever know.

Bob Forrest or Dr. Drew and it's amazing how these things happen and they loved Chris and we all love Chris and remember Chris and anyway here's me and Chris episode 100 and no episode 7 not 107 episode 7 of Dopey

David Manheim (15:14.808)
Hello and welcome to Dopey, the incredibly controversial podcast about drugs and addiction and stupid stories. I'm Dave. I'm Chris. And here we are like from the Lower East Side of Manhattan. Chris feels like it's important to mention that we're from New York or that. Why do you think that? Because I think it could be kind of branded as a New York sort of edgy thing. I don't know, New York is cool. It's hip, it's in.

people like New York or they hate it and even if they hate it, they'll listen to it. But you think if we say it's from New York, that's going to impact it at all? Say the Lower East Side, you know? It's a little edgy. I don't think the Lower East Side... I think that's my Brussels sprouts. you forgot about those, huh? I think my Brussels sprouts are done. Chris, you talk for a second. I'm going to go check the Brussels sprouts. All right. I will... I'll tell you about Dave's fish tank, which is the stupidest thing I've ever seen.

It's actually a really nice fish tank. It's huge straight in front of me. It's like the type of thing you would see in a like a fancy Chinese restaurant and so he's got this massive fish tank with all these tubes and Filtrations and water flows and all this stuff and it's full of freaking minnows like two cent fish and I keep asking I'm like, why don't you get some better fish? But did you say two cent fish? Yeah, it was a throwaway. They're not first of all

Anybody, I don't know who out there, if anybody listens, but I don't know if any of our listeners might be interested in tropical fish. I like tropical fish. My fish tank, first of all, fuck you. wait, I got a good fish story when you're done with this. Second of all, the fish tank is a planted, when I say planted, is, on the bottom. There's a bunch of grass in there. Just shut up. On the bottom, it's a.

substrate capable of sustaining plant life there are many varieties of plants in there uh... the fish are very small but there is a reason for it and they're not minnows they are assorted tetras many different styles of tetras there's cardinal tetras there's tri-color tetras there's uh... harlequin tetras you're very happy with yourself that you just use the word substrate aren't you? yeah i like it but you use a lot of fucking

David Manheim (17:41.806)
words like that. don't get sorta know what they mean. I know what substrate means. What does it mean? It is a material... I don't know what it means. What does substrate mean? I don't know. I know they talk about dopaminergic substrates in your brain with something. Substrate, it's like a soiling thing at the bottom. But the thing that you don't know about the fish tank, the reason that I have such small fish, there's two reasons.

You want the first reason? Your dick looks bigger? not even going to recognize that as a worthy comment. Hey, you were the one that brought up that subject last time. It's because your story was about masturbating in front of another man. And then you went on to reveal that in prep school, you and your friends would sit around jerking off every night. That's not what I said. It is. That's not what I said. There's a gist there. You got a gist.

I said that on buprenorphine that made me feel like I was tripping, I took out my flaccid penis and was insecure that it was small because I was in a very, very rough spot. In the same conversation, I said I'm quite happy with my penis size. It just could use a little bit more girth. You know, I saw on Instagram the other day that in Malaysia or Taiwan or something in 1967,

there was the shrinking penis syndrome panic. And it was a form of mass hysteria where everybody thought their penis was shrinking and went into the hospital and saw their doctor. Like 600 people on the side of the That is interesting. But the stereotype about Asian penises is that they're very small. What could create such a panic?

so supposedly what happened, I actually went and it was just a little blurb on something, so I dug a little deeper to read more about it. And I guess supposedly there was some pig that ate something and his penis fell off or something like Like a real pig. Like a real pig and then people were concerned.

David Manheim (19:51.566)
that they ate the pig meat or something like that. Listen, I don't think this story is worth its weight. but let me tell you my fish story that I have I didn't explain the reason why I have small fish. Oh, your Tetras. Let's hear about your Tetras. Do you want to hear the first reason or the And Tetra is just a fancy name for a minnow, right? No, minnows come in one form. Look at all the fancy tail guppy. You don't see the different colors and the different styles of fish. There's some neon Tetras. There's blue There's cardinal Tetras. There's tri-colored Tetras.

There's rummy nose tetras. Actually the rummy nose seems like it's disappeared. But do you want to know why I have the small fish or not? Yes. Do you want to the first reason or the second reason? I want to know both and I don't think I have a choice. We can move on. No, no. Let's hear it. I want to hear it. Number one, when you have big fish in a tank, the fish don't really have anywhere to go. It seems like they don't have a life. You know, they just like pace in the waiting room of life. So you're a humanitarian. You're a pescatarian.

No, pescetarian eats fish. would a, you know, humanitarian, like they like humans? You're talking about fishes civil rights or something. No, a pescetarian eats fish, number one. I'm an omnivore. And number two, I think it's more about, and I don't feel guilty about many things, but I think if I looked into that fish tank and there were six inch fish or seven inch fish that could swim 22 inches and then have to turn around, it would make me feel anxious.

Whereas a small fish that has a huge world to roam with plenty of substrate, substrate plants, wood. I feel better about it. don't. doesn't look like that they're like, I mean, they don't look so excited right now, but it doesn't look like I just think that they have a decent life in there. There's a lot of different worlds to explore. They have a lot of different land. look tired from swimming around so much. That's dumb. The number one reason why I have these fish. You don't know this.

in that tank lives three or four varieties of shrimp. Really? Yes. Brine shrimp? No. They would eat the brine shrimp. I have a mono shrimp, cherry shrimp, golden shrimp. But I have feeling that the fish are so small they can't eat the shrimp. However, I feed the fish so little I think they figured out how to eat the shrimp. But that was my plan was to have a multi-species aquarium.

David Manheim (22:20.044)
with shrimp and fish and plants living together harmoniously. That is why I did it. Well, I applaud you. Why, you just fucking started the whole thing, how bad it was. know, but you explained everything beautifully and now I see you and your fish in a different light. The problem with the tank is that fucking treasure chest. You see the treasure chest? Yeah, I see it. You like it? It's alright. I don't like it. Well, just take your hand in there and pull it out. My daughter gave it to me. yeah, it's in there forever.

I don't think she likes it either, I think just her mother likes it. Yeah, but if you can get your daughter to not like it, then you can take it out because you can tell her mother that your daughter doesn't like it. What's your fish story? fish story, yeah. So, yeah, I'll tell you this little story right here before we get into the Dr. Drew Bob Forrest story. You tell the Dr. Drew story. Yeah.

Hold on, the fish story is really good, you'll like this. I want to say something though. It's big news on Dopey. We got our first email from somebody we don't know. Yes, this is a shout out to Troy. Thank you Troy. Troy, are you sure you don't know Chris? Chris, do you really not know Troy? I don't know Troy, man. I mean, guess I'm also admitting that we've only gotten...

One email in six shows. We haven't gotten feedback, but from all people who... Everybody thinks the show is great. Yeah. Right? Some people think it's a little irresponsible. Who? Some people. Who? Us? AA people. Who thinks that? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

David Manheim (24:07.118)
That's me! That's my soda! I need it! So there's some AA, but let me tell the fish story, No, no, no, no, no, no! I'm really, really very interested in hearing any feedback that wasn't good. You didn't tell me. No, okay, so I was in an AA meeting and I was talking to my sponsor's girlfriend. So you're in recovery then? I'm in recovery. I'm recovered. You're not recovered. And so...

I uh, and she said she's been listening and she likes it and I said... Your sponsor's girlfriend? Yes. Has been listening and she likes it? Yes. How old is she? Uh, she's twenty... something? Is she attractive? Yeah. How old is your sponsor? Uh, he's like 36 or 37 maybe. So he's younger than me too. Yeah. Um... Does he seem wiser than me? He's very wise, yes. Wiser than me and younger than me? Um... So...

Yeah, I asked her, said, you think we're being irresponsible? And she was like, maybe. But I asked my other AA buddies, and they said, you know, it's a good thing. I still think that we could turn this a little bit into a recovery thing, Like meld it a little bit, you know? But for now, we'll just stick with the war stories. Meld it how? You know, weave it in. You know, one, two, a push, pull. All right, so today's show is going to be about recovery. No. You want it to be about recovery?

I like daring me to say no. Great. Today, Dopey is called Recovery. It's the recovery show today. You happy? All let me tell the fish story. No, no, no. Let's hear about recovery. Let's hear some fun stories about recovery. can weave recovery into any story. don't want to ruin us. If you want to ruin a story, sure. This is the perspective. OK, so where are we? The fish story. The fish story. That's going to be your story? No, no, no. We'll do the fish story, then we'll do the...

Do you think, you don't think weaving recovery in is like, it's like, it's like healthy chocolate milk, it's like adding something bad or something not palatable to something good. I think it's the payings of my conscience. Yeah, but we're talking about a product here, you know, and I think that, listen, I just want to say this. I'm in recovery too. And I actually went, did you go to a meeting today?

David Manheim (26:28.366)
I did not. Guess who did? You did? I did! At 730? At 730 this morning. Wow. Because I know that if I don't go to a meeting, I won't be getting my medicine. I can't take you serious. You have rib sauce all over your face. It's barbecue sauce. Do I really? A little bit right here.

So if I don't pursue my recovery the way I used to pursue my drugs, all is lost. get your point. What? You're just spitting out the platitudes. Platitudes? Is that what the word is? I don't think so. What is platitudes? It's like little jargon, one day at a time, easy does it. Easy does it. Why do they say think, think, think? I know. Is that in the book? I don't remember that in the book.

You know which one is the worst is, uh, play the tape. And I know it's helpful for some people out there, but for me it was like, I don't fuck, either I can't sufficiently recall the pain and consequences of drug use, so playing the tape is impossible, or I'm just so restless, irritable, and discontent that even if I play the tape and I know what's gonna happen, I'll just do it anyways, cause I'll do anything for That's my recovery blurb before we get into the By the way, that's an anti-recovery blurb, first of all.

Well, you know Play the Tape isn't found anywhere in the book. You know, that's because they didn't have tapes in fucking 1944. Yeah, but still, it's not something that's... It's silly. It's saying that your addiction will respond to logic and reason, which is totally against what the program's about. Wow. Because if we could logic and reason our way out of it, we wouldn't need it. The idea of Play the Tape is consider the consequences of your actions. Yes, but if the consequences were sufficient to keep me clean and sober,

then I would have gotten clean and sober a long time ago. They were sufficient to get me in the door to try to work a spiritual program and that is it.

David Manheim (28:27.852)
I hear that. So wait, so... No, now you see now you're... We're doing recovery. Let's get to the fish story. No, no, no, no. Because now I feel like a little bit, I feel less than. You're like a fucking sermon on the mound preacher. Fucking, if my consequences are enough for me to... It's like, me a fucking break. Okay. So that is not one that you like. So which is one that you like? You don't like Easy Does It.

You don't like think think think. No no the other ones I think there's a place for them. I just you know it's like yeah if that's helpful. Playing the tape.

The thing I like about playing the tape, well, you know, I, for me, I couldn't stop using until I needed to stop using. You know, it's just something that happened to So you were beaten into a state of reasonableness? No, I was just done. Yeah. I was just done. tired of being sick and tired? I was, no, I've been sick and tired of being sick you and tired of being sick and tired of being sick and tired?

Yeah, but at the end of my using, I was just done. There was a... You know, I think that the reason that we shouldn't talk about recovery is because you become like a fucking Sunday school teacher on Channel 11. Like fucking, I don't even know those guys' names. Theodore Clefus or something. Fucking Jerry Swagger, Jimmy Stewart. What are their names?

And I become a blithering idiot sitting next to you. don't think I can keep up with not true. Dave did really well at a meeting last week. I thought it was great. was straight fire. I was spitting the truth to the young white youth. What's your fucking fish story? so fish story. I might get in trouble. Someone might call PETA on me here. This is not one of my finer moments. Hold on. Do you feel comfortable about the recovery?

David Manheim (30:31.554)
that we just put in this thing. Yeah, it's good. Enough recovery. Now we're on to the rest. feel like... Recovery, depravity. We're on the depravity part now. You're on the depravity train? Yeah. you feel... But do you feel... Here's the real question. Do you feel that if you do those four minutes of, like, God, I am here, you know, like this, then that makes up for the debaucherous rest of the show? Kinda.

That's all you need to not feel guilty. Pretty much, yeah. All right, I'm in. That's fine. So, I haven't told this story in a while. This is just real quick side note that I thought of when Dave went to get his just realized something. Chris has shared with me that he is a germaphobe because I got a little barbecue sauce on the edge of his Diet Coke. But then I remembered as he was vaping,

He's let me share his vape. Was that hard for you? Yeah, but you gotta, you gotta give it, you gotta pass it, you know what I mean? You're saying you gotta pass the vape even though you're a germaphobe? It's sort of like, you know... Cause you would be totally uncool? you only had one syringe, you know, gotta pass Have you ever shared a needle? Yeah, I used a needle in jail. It was up many a man's butts. Probably. You saw it come out of somebody else's No, I didn't. no, but it was, so listen to this, this fucking...

Syringe this is horrible. The only thing on it that was actually part of a syringe was the actual little metal needle Uh-huh. The rest was the shaft of a pen a piece of a shower sandal piece of elastic from someone shorts Sandwich baggie and a piece of an afro pig. It's called a binky an afro pig Yeah, that was the plunger the afro pick went into how do you how can you confirm that? Because I think we have to find Eddie this story Eddie from Sam from Anaheim

This story, this is going straight to the front of the class. mean, anything you ever told me pales to this homemade syringe in prison. You know what's amazing? You know what's amazing? I don't have hep C. Or AIDS. You mentioning the afro in the pic totally ruins the story. What? It states you're on a pic. It's an afro pic. don't, black people don't say it's an afro pic. They say it's pic. Oh, pic, okay.

David Manheim (32:58.222)
I think. Well they actually had three combs on commissary. There was the afro pick which was for the brothers and then they the hand comb which was for hispanics and then they had like a regular barber's comb which was for the woods which is what I was part of. So Dave went back in and get his Brussels brats. I'm gonna start the fish story because we're gonna get to it if he's here. We're gonna get to the main event. The main event is Bob Forrest and Dr. Drew. What are you talking about?

I'm talking about the fish story. Were you a racist in prison? No. Well, I mean, like, I was racist in the sense that I abided by the inmate code, which was don't share with people, don't share with brothers or Asians. This is in Southern California. Yeah. There's no Asians. Yeah, there's little little Saigons in Orange County. Do have clues, remember? All the dragons. No, that's Japanese. All the,

All the writing was in English, Spanish, and Vietnamese. Wow. So who were the most ruthless? The Serenios. The Mexicans. But that's in Orange County, man. If you go to LA County, the brothers got the keys. But the question is, how did the Vietnamese do? There's not enough. It's all numbers. Strength in numbers. And what's the Jewish contingency like out there?

tss, Because the Jews cannot be included. There was one guy named Schultz. Schultz is Jewish, right? Or German. Schultz! Or German. or German. Isn't a German Jew? Not all Germans are Jewish. Yeah, I don't know. There's a lot of Schultzes that weren't Jewish. He didn't look Jewish. I'm sure he wasn't. The question is, what happens to a Jew like me?

who looks very Jewish. You would do great in jail because one of the things is it's like what's your stick? It's like high school with an edge, know, kind of clicky. But if you're a funny guy, as long as you like have respect with people and I talk to them, but if you're funny, people will love you and you'd do great. I wouldn't have to find the weakest person and punch him in the face four times. that's, that's, I don't know, maybe that's like a level, that's a level three or four yard in prison or that's, that's other shit, dude. You did what? I was just in county. For how long? A little less than two years.

David Manheim (35:07.214)
In one shot? No. I did a year sentence, I did a long did you serve the year sentence? You do about two thirds, a little over two thirds. You were in jail for seven months? I was in jail for that one for like 260 something days. Was it the time of your life? You know, I actually laughed harder than I've probably ever laughed in my life sometimes when was in jail. It sucked, but they were just cringy. You also felt like you were finally somebody, right?

Your whole life you were nobody. I felt like I was finally getting what I deserved. Really? think, no, but I bet you there was an aspect to jail where you felt like you were this privileged white kid who didn't have to do anything. And then finally they make you survive on your own merits someplace where nothing means anything but who you are. And all of a sudden you leave jail and I bet you felt much better when you got out than when you went in. And not just because you were free.

because of what you experienced. I also has barely been using for a year. So you're saying it was the cleanliness of the time in jail? You didn't make any pruno in jail? We did. So the first time I shared the syringe, that was six months since I shared the syringe and made pruno and everything. When I did the year or the whatever, 260 days, I just like bought Serraquel. I didn't do anything. Actually, someone gave me meth at one point. didn't even do But what about this thing that I'm asking you? What are you You don't think

that when you were in jail... made me someone? No, no. It made you somebody, but finally you were not being taken care of in the same way. I was being taken care of, it just the county was doing it for me. So you say what I'm saying is totally worthless? It was just somebody... You don't even understand what I understand what you're saying. And are you so in denial of your soft upbringing that you don't...

give my theory credence? What, that there's a safety blanket that's caught me several times? that what you're saying? No, that's obvious. What I'm saying is that jail in some ways had a transformative effect on you, turning you into more of a true person. No, because I mean, in what sense are you saying? Well, I know that the Because it was sink or swim? What do you mean? The further that I went to be, just to be honest, the further that I went downhill, and the more consequences I had,

David Manheim (37:23.232)
The more I sort of or in my mind, I shed like the privilege of my life. Yeah, yeah, so yeah that's true. But I'd already been running around on the street and hanging out with like addicts and shit for a long time. But it's different once you're in jail because you're not getting away with anything. You're not Peter Pan, you're fucking in jail. Yeah, yeah so you're right. You are correct. I really brought this fun podcast to a grinding halt.

Tell the fish story. Alright, so the fish story. So this is back in college. So we were sitting around drinking and somehow we started talking about Siamese fighting. This is horrible too. I don't condone this. It's horrible what happened here. Where were you? I was in a school. What, college? I was at a school I didn't deserve to be at. You don't want to mention this because it's unbelievable. It was a very fancy school.

people are whole lot smarter than that. know this school. But I'm gonna give Chris a break and not mention it. You should see him. He's on the edge of his seat. He gets so nervous about stuff. Well, I didn't finish at that school anyway. um, they, uh... Should I say what it rhymes with? No, don't say it wrong. So, uh, we... Does it rhyme with Yar-verd? It does not. I know. I'm just playing with you. Fail? So, um...

We were sitting around, we drinking, we were talking about Siamese fighting fish and you know, like supposedly you can't put them in the same tank because they'll fight. So we decided to do a little experiment and we went to Petco and we bought like a tank like that but much smaller and plastic and a piece of shit. Like a five gallon tank. Yeah. And we got like 20 Siamese fighting fish. Do they fight? Yeah, so no, but this is one the funny parts. We're checking out, right? Time time out. Are there drugs in this story? No, but let me just get to the end real quick.

So we got 20 Siamese fighting fish in one tank and we're checking on a Petco and the 20 Siamese are all in separate little baggies. And the woman's like, you're not putting these in the same tank are you? And we're like, no. And then my friend goes, he's like, do you any big slow fish? know there's anything wrong with it, like swarm on it.

David Manheim (39:38.508)
So yeah, we got all the Siamese fish. Did you get a big slow We got a big slow fish. I don't even know. It was a big beefy slow fish. And it was like 12 bucks. And so we brought them home and we put them all the same tank. Again, not condoning this at all. We thought it was going to be this crazy whirling dervish. And it really wasn't. And a few of them kind of like lock lips. And they would like sort of like attack each other's fins and sometimes like peel it a little bit. But then...

one of our friends like rescue them and separate them. So no fish was killed? There might have been some that died from malnutrition. How long did you keep them in the tank? They were in there for like, I don't know, a couple days or something. A couple days? Did you dechlorinate the water? We didn't do anything. So they probably died from chlorine poisoning. Because you need to dechlorinate the water. Oh, he took care of them and they were alive later.

So this story really has no juice. It has no juice. Except that all of us in the fish loving community have always wanted to see a Siamese fighting scene. I always imagine they reach into their pots and they've got nunchucks and they start throwing stars at each other in the tank. all have crazy moves. None of them have moves? There was none of that. We're already at 25 minutes. Am I going to tell this story? I should. Let's just crank it out. It's not too long.

Let's do it. Brad said not to You just did exactly what Brad said not to do. Well, we got this fucking nifty little counter on here. I don't even know how that thing makes Just tell the story. It's got bars or beats I just want to say something. There's a guy who I'm friends with named Brad who told me... Hi Brad, if you're listening. He's listening. He's the only person that always listens. And Brad and I used to work in television a lot. And Brad still works in television.

And Brad said to me years ago, I want to do a podcast about drug stories. And then he started one, but he played recordings of like famous people drug stories. He put on that, did you ever hear the Artie Lang pig story? It's like the greatest story ever. He put a couple on a podcast. And then years later, I said, oh, that's a good idea. Years later, I was working on a project and Chris hit me up and he was like,

David Manheim (41:55.266)
dude I know something you do is gonna be good eventually I don't think it's this project but and I said okay let's do a podcast about drug stories and he was like alright and then I told Brad and Brad was like cool and then Brad loved it and then the other day Brad was like you owe me an apology for stealing my idea. And this is your apology to him right now so apologize to Brad. Brad Bradley I'm really really sorry I think you're a genius.

and I only wish you well in your life and Brad is gonna be part of the show. Yes. Eventually. If he wants to be. If he wants to be. And Brad, I'm sorry. I'm sorry for every... This is my intro to my ninth step to Brad. My amendment. And let's just... No, my ammendment. And you did this harm's done while you were so...

Listen, when I told Chris about this, Chris said, what the fuck man, every drug user has the idea to make a podcast about drugs. Wasn't that what you said, Chris? it's true. Didn't you say you had this idea already? Yeah, I did. What the fuck does Brad know? I didn't say that. Didn't you say that? I never said that. is totally made Anyway, so Bradley, Bradley, I love you. I think we need to get Brad. Shut up. Bradley, I love you. I'm so sorry. And thank you.

and I cannot wait for your contribution to your podcast. Likewise, I second that. Bradley, this is for you. I love you. Anyway, tell your story. Tell my story. Anyway, but Brad said we shouldn't be worried about the time and we shouldn't rush to tell the story. That's why we've been dragging this horrible episode out. All right, tell the story. Okay, so the timeline is getting... Hold on, on. Jesus. Bradley, I really am sorry.

I really am. Do I sound sincere? Yeah, you're sincere. He's crying. I'm not crying. Just tell the fucking story. Will you close the door? It's freezing in here. So the timeline's getting a little messed up here. So we're kind of going back and forth with all these different stories. So the story I'm about to tell you, it is post-Turkey story. Nobody knows that I'm just saying it in case they listen to it. It's post-Turkey story and pre-brain injury clinic.

David Manheim (44:13.774)
and pre-Mountain Dew Powerade bottle. before you cracked your head against the snow? No, this is way after. happened before. pre-snow story. No, it's pre-brain injury clinic, but it's post-brain injury. The brain injury happened when I was 17. I didn't go to the brain injury clinic until I was like 26 or something. Okay, so why don't you just say it was in your early 20s? Yeah, I get it all confused. This is before the Powerade I from references. This is before the Powerade story.

And before the Turkey story? after the Turkey story. Before the Powerade, before the brain injury clinic. It's the most worthless fucking explanation I've ever heard. Okay, so, the Bob Forrest Dr. Drew story. I keep saying that because that's what we're going to title it, but in actuality they're a pretty small part of this story. I think it should be called the Smorgasbord of Crap. Yeah, that's a good one. The Smorgasbord of Crap story. Just fucking tell this story.

Okay, so in Pasadena, California, still hanging around there, was at this place Impact a couple times. That's where the turkey story sort of happened. Impact was a rehab. was a rehab. And then I was in this place called Las Encinas, which is very large place and it has all these different, I guess you call them wards in it, with different sort of treatment missions.

Naya styles I guess and sort of like mission statements, you know, there's there's the pure psych ward There's this psych with drugs and it's like we treat the the mental illness and then the drugs and there's one where they treat the drugs and then the mental illness and then just the drugs and so you get the idea there's a bunch of different things so anyways, I don't know were you I was in every single one of them during my stay including pack Which is a lockdown site if there's a fire in pack and they don't let you out you die

Which is just where they send you if you relapse. You never get kicked out of this place unless you commit a Besides using. Besides using. I was on the street running around and it was the end of my run, tapped out, stealing beef jerky in 40. That was sort of my thing, beef jerky in 40s when I had nothing from the grocery store. I was with this little girl running around and stuff. She's a sweetheart. She's over five years now.

David Manheim (46:33.122)
We go over to check in there, and she doesn't check in, but I ended up checking in. something that, I probably shouldn't say this, but something that you can do is I went in and I sat on my hands and pretended to be shaking and I was like, I've been drinking a handle of vodka a day and shooting a bundle of dope and taking mad, mad clonopins. And so they were like, these guys are gonna seize and all shit. in reality, I had nothing in my system. So you were just trying to get drunk.

Yeah, so was trying to get drugs. So the first thing they did was just max me out and everything. They put me on 24 milligrams of Suboxone. you just, what did you come in on? Nothing. just didn't. So why didn't they test you? They didn't. And this was actually, it was a big deal. We'll get to that actually. My parents got really upset about that. That they didn't like, they should have done that, you know? course.

So they... sure you changed the whole protocol. So they maxed... Do you think you changed the whole protocol? Possibly. Let me tell you the story. You'll hear what happens. I think the show should end. think it'll be at 30 minutes. think... Where are we at? I thought we listening to Brad. That's part of your men's. yeah, Brad, I'm Listen to Brad. Alright, so... So yeah, so they maxed me out. me on like 24 milligrams of Suboxone, which is ridiculous. Nobody needs that much. And they put me on a bunch of Kalanapin and... No, they put me on Librium in the beginning.

And they gave me 100 milligrams of Librium with a 50 milligram repeat PRN every half I don't like Librium. Yeah, but listen to this shit, dude. So a 50 milligram repeat PRN every half hour. I'm just faced from this about- What is PRN for? Patient's request. And every 30 minutes I could request another 50 milligrams. So the medical max for Librium- you did, right? Well, listen to this shit. The medical max for Librium in a day is 400 milligrams. So you're not supposed to have more than 400 milligrams in a day.

The thing is nobody would take that much because you just would black out and go to sleep. Well, I didn't and I kept on going back and asking for more Librium. And I remember the guy had like, this guy was giving it, he was the man and had long blonde hair and I'd go up and I was a total dickhead. was like, you Lancelot motherfucker. I'm like, give him my Librium. And so they kept on giving it to me and I got up to like- So you were abusive to this guy? Yeah. And he kept saying here's the Librium. Well, he had to because the order was standing.

David Manheim (48:48.11)
So he kept on getting my Librium, right? So would you get like angry like that? Were you abusive to the staff? When I mixed Benzos, when I had Benzos, especially Benzos and Booze, that's when I did the robbery. Benzos and Booze brings out the demons. So the Librium was like the Benzo? The Librium's a Benzo. So what was the Booze? There was no Booze. Maybe Suboxone was the So when do you get, I've never, well maybe I've seen you get almost abusive. What? When? never been When at Boundside, you were um,

You don't mind, you won't mention the college you went to, but you're happy to mention Mountainside. At Mountainside, you were just disruptive. When? In your weird smirky thing. You sit there and you... Maybe you never got... I disrupted. I didn't make it peep the whole time I was there. You didn't get angular and angry ever? No. So I've never seen you be abusive. No, I honestly have never been angular, So why were you so abusive to this guy?

Because I was intoxicated. I was just yelling at So when you do drugs and drink, you get a piece of When I... It's usually the only time that's ever happened where I've gotten, you know, a twinge of violence is with alcohol and benzos. I was always a happy drunk, and... But towards the end, it started to be like, you know, one out of every ten times I could get... be an angry drunk. And it used to be never, you know? It was trending in a bad direction. So anyways.

The Librium, he keeps on giving me 50 milligrams every half hour and I just keep going up for like eight hours, right? And they ended up taking like 800 milligrams of Librium. They didn't realize there was a cutoff limit and I blacked out and I was just a fucking, I lost two weeks. I was a total mess, right? And so I was in- When did you lost two I lost, I don't remember, two weeks, like straight. You know, I was just so fucked up, right? And they kept giving me, and then I was also on like a schedule dose with the PRN.

And so they, I was in Two East, was the name of place I remember, and they transferred me to, maybe it was Gables or something, I forget. seems like you remember a lot. Yeah, well, because I was in this rehab for eight months, right? And so they transferred me, and they actually transferred me to Dr. Drew and Bob Forrest, but Dr. Drew was the physician, my prescribed If you don't know who these guys are, they were the guys on Celebrity Detox. Celebrity Rehab.

David Manheim (51:10.67)
Celebrity read Dr. Drew does love line and Bob Forrest is just the man but anyways Bob Forrest was in a band. Thelonious Monk Thelonious Monk. No Thelonious Monster. Thelonious Monster. Yeah, that's it. Not Tony. so only his monk was a guy Yeah, I was like an older guy. He's dead So they transfer me to dr. Drew

who and I was just coming out who figured out what happened. know, he figured out what was going on and I don't remember much from my interaction with Dr. Drew. I remember two things. That's it. And he definitely wouldn't remember me. Or maybe he would. But anyways, they transferred me to him and I remember sitting in his office with Bob Forrest and with a bunch of other people and for some reason at this period in my life, I was just absolutely obsessed with The Matrix. And I remember just asking Dr. Drew,

how can you prove this is reality? And his response was, whether it's reality or not, you're going to die. Which I thought was pretty, you know. And it's your mission to bring recovery into our podcast, so here it is. No, that's it. But anyways, and the other thing with Drew is I remember I used to wait in the parking lot when he would come in, that little girl that I was running around with, she would come visit me. I say little girl, but I was like 20 something, she was like 22 or something.

Was she little, like small? I don't know, just average size. So why would you call her a little girl? Because now I think back and she seems like a little girl, you know? How'd you meet her? Rehab Impact, the first one. Nice. So anyways, she would come back and I remember waiting in the parking lot for Dr. Drew to try to get him to let me hang out with her alone in my room. Would that ever happen with anybody?

Actually did there was a couple married as a married couple that had conjugals Basically, and they don't call it that and they pretend they weren't doing that but they let them they let them like be alone in their room You would be in the facility and you'd go to the parking lot to To see her. Yeah, we're 38 minutes. This story's got another 15 minutes in it, too It's cruising. Let's just go. We'll let it rip. All right, so

David Manheim (53:31.138)
I'm in this place for a long ass time. I want to say I've had several counts. Bob Forre, Dr. Drew, I just remember I respected him. He was smart and I liked him as much as like was like, know, celebrity rehab is like kind of silly. it before celebrity? It was before that, you know, but even now I'm saying with that I'm like, but he was like a legit guy. I remember thinking that and I've actually defended him a couple of times with other people who were like, like he doesn't have a background in addictions and whatnot, but I was like, he did a really

good seminar the parents would sit in on the neuroscience and I just thought he cared and was well spoken and intelligent but in terms of actual treatment and relational skills Bob Forrest was a really good guy and he I saw him because I was there eight months and I'd always see him and he'd kind of make fun of me and he probably wouldn't remember me either but he'd make fun of me because the average length of stay was 28 days you know what mean this wasn't a place that had an extended program but that's like your stick

You go to places where the average stay is 28 days and you stay six months. Yeah. Because this is not the first time that happened and it wasn't the last, was it? It wasn't many treatments would you say you seven times longer than the average patient? Because now I know of two. How many times would you say this happened? Well, Mountside I wouldn't even consider because Mountside had an extended program. They didn't even have it. But you were not in the extended program for five months. Yeah.

No, for a couple months. I was in the phase four there. Eventually, but most people do 28 Yeah, so how many? I don't know, a bunch, dude. A lot. A lot. Answer the question. So anyway, so yeah, so I'm at this place. Anyways, I end up relapsing there because you can actually, there's doctor's offices there and some of the wards aren't locked down. So you can walk around and you could technically run out of the treatment center, go buy booze or go buy drugs and run back and nobody would notice.

But you had to do it quick because they would do checks on people like once every hour. It was like a code green or some shit. And if it was more than a couple hours, they call code green and that means they couldn't locate someone. And I remember there was like a code red or something or a code pink and it meant somebody was flipping out and the people in the white coats like orderlies were going to take them down. So they used to be like code pink like Northwest Terrace.

David Manheim (55:49.302)
and I'd be in group and I would just fucking book it and run out and be like, Chris, no! And I'd just be going to watch because somebody would be getting taken down, which it did happen to me a couple times too. Where you got taken down? Where I got taken Why? Because I found out, and this is super sick, that if you are in one of the psych ones, this isn't where Drew and Flores were, one of the psych ones, and you flip out,

They put you in a five point restraint and they give you an injection of Haldol and Ativan. The Haldol sucked but the Ativan was pretty fucking nice. And you just wake up the next day. You wanted that. Yeah, so a couple times I flipped out just to do that. One of them, I took the top of the toilet bowl of ceramic and they had all chicken wire on the windows and I started bashing the window. Just to get the injection? And they came in and gave me the Like Pavlov's dog? Yeah, I guess, like, not really. Well you, bang, it's like you weren't really aggro.

You're beating a fucking toilet seat. backlogged dog would be if somebody else started banging the windows and then I knew I was going to get an injection. It would be if someone else started banging it then I got excited for the injection. We're talking about classical and operant conditioning. Listen, what I'm saying is that you were not create... Well, maybe you were crazy. But what I'm saying is you took the toilet seat off, beat it against the chicken wire, and they responded... Wait, if you ring a bell and feed understand what you're saying. They are the dog.

and they inject you with the Haldol like, is that in Iran? You're on to something. Maybe. But that's pathetic. It is pathetic, yeah. so this would happen in, this happened in Pac, and this is the lockdown where if there's a fire you die. In Pac-Man, like that wasn't for drug addicts, but if you- Pac-Man? No, I mean, in Pac, comma, man. I got you. If you...

If you were in there, man, you were in there for serious SMI, like severe mental illness, you weren't there. SMI. You weren't there because you were a drug addict, but that's just where they sent me when I relapsed. So was in Pact this one time, you'll like this story, and I'm watching, I don't remember, was Nacho Libre or something, one with Jack Black, he's like a Mexican wrestler. And this kid sits down, everybody's fucking Looney Tunes in there, right? And this kid sits down next to me and I look over at him.

David Manheim (58:03.118)
and I'm like, hmm, those look like my socks. You know, they're all like socks and slippers and shit. And then I see his sweatpants and I'm like, those look like the same sweatpants I got. And I notice there's a fray and I'm like, those are my sweatpants. He's wearing my t-shirt. He's wearing my socks, my sweatpants, and my t-shirt. This guy was so gone. Was he your roommate? No, they're all in your own room. He'd go into other people's rooms.

take a shower and put their clothes on, he So what did you do? Did you rip the toilet paper and feed him in the face? See, you would have gotten kicked out for that. So I started laughing. I actually started laughing, and then I told them, and they actually commended me for taking it so well. I thought it was hilarious. So yeah, this place was pretty nutty. I remember at one point I was on 30 milligram injections of Zyprexa every night. Zyprexa is an anti-psychotic.

And they actually told me that- Why were you bobbing your head? The doctor says to me, he goes, so we're going to switch for you from serocool to Zyprexa. And I was on 1200 milligrams of serocool, a massive dose of They were just fucking sedating me, right? And he's like, we're going to switch you to Zyprexa. And he's like, it's available in a pill in an injection form. like I could pick. And I said, I'll take the injection. And he turns to me he goes,

I've been doing this for 20 years. He goes, I've never had somebody opt for the injection. So you go up to the little med line, you know, where they open the window every night, everybody gets their medication. And it would get to me in the moment. The nurse would like sigh because she'd have to draw up a shot and we'd go in the bathroom and I'd have to pull down my pants and she'd inject it in my butt. Intramuscular. And then I would be like in the bathroom. I don't even know if you can do this. I'd be like, can you, can I just get that? Like, cause I want it to main line. He's like, no, you're not going to get it. Well, what would the difference have been?

I don't know. just wanted to nail it. This, by the way, we're at 44 minutes. Chris is in heaven talking about injecting Zyprexa. This is where we get into the real art of darkness. No, you want to hear the worst is later on in this treatment. This is really sad. I would cheek my psych meds. This is in a different ward in the same treatment center. And I had a syringe.

David Manheim (01:00:22.126)
I would take the psych meds and I'd mix it up and I remember I stole a different antipsychotic, I think it was Geodote or something, and I drew it up, right? And then I hit myself and I register, that's when the blood flows in. And so the blood flowed into the needle and it didn't mix, do you understand what I'm saying? So it was like all white and then all blood. Like my blood refused to mix with the medicine. Like they were like anti whatever.

And I was like, fuck it. And shot Because it's not supposed to be an intravenous drug. Well, some drugs mix. Most drugs trick. Even if it's not supposed to be intravenous, you're just cheeking it. But this one wouldn't mix. I still just... So what happens if it doesn't mix? I don't know. I shot it. So whatever. The blood goes back in and then the stuff goes in. doesn't matter. What do you mean? I mean, what I'm understanding... You'd think that it should mix with your blood so when it gets to your liver. So what that means is my liver was just like... The blood was going to it and then all of sudden you just got a shot of milky white stuff. When usually that mixes, you know?

I'm assuming that's not safe. That's all I'm saying. I don't think shooting anything really is that safe. You don't know anything. Well at the same treatment center, you said vodka shooter in the first thing. This is the one where I started injecting vodka and they found me non-responsive. Which you don't, I didn't even feel anything from it, but they found me non-responsive and took me to the emergency room. You were shooting vodka in the center? In the center, Where'd you get the vodka?

I would run out and get it depends what ward you were in. You know what mean? Some were locked down. There's like this. like the worst treatment center in the You're like fucking they're shooting you up. They're giving you 800 milligrams of Librium a day. You're buying vodka. You have needles. It's like this is like see when I was in treatment with Chris the funniest thing is that you know Chris was kind of dark when I got there and he would say to me Don't you wish there would be like the reverse treatment center?

where you could just go to this place and they just give you drugs. And I was like, yeah. And it sounds like this is that place. Doesn't it? In some respect, it was. It definitely wasn't the type of place that were like, you know, controlled substances were allowed. But again, it depends what you want. If you were in... I see why you needed to give your recovery spiel at the beginning of this one, because this is...

David Manheim (01:02:28.878)
This is a one. isn't even... This makes me feel like an amateur. Dude, this isn't even the end of the story. The end of the story is the blowout. Should we fast forward to that? Yeah. Alright. Please. Sorry Brad, but this is getting a little out of hand for you. So I had been sentenced to go to jail, right? You know, I'd been fighting this case for two years. This was my first sentence. It was six months in jail. And then after jail, I had to You belonged in jail. I did. You had to complete a year of treatment.

So I was fucking so depressed too. I've been treatment for years and I like, I need to leave treatment, go to jail for six months to come back to treatment for a year. And so I had my drug dealer, this is a fucking crazy ass story. So I had my drug dealer come and he was bringing drugs onto the site. White guy, black guy, and Spanish. He's a white guy. He wasn't even a drug dealer. was like a middle guy. And so he came and brought me drugs and he left. And then someone had noticed he was there.

and they started searching my room. And I'm actually fast forwarding, glazing over a bunch of stuff just because this will take forever to get through. So anyways, the nah, I'll give you the crash course, all right? So I'm supposed to turn myself into jail in like three weeks and the judge even said, he said, if you pick up a new charge in the meantime, I'll make sure you do your max term, which was max term.

consecutive, which would have been 10 years. was seven for one case and three for another. If you did what? If I got a new charge between then and when I have to turn myself in. And I was in treatment. So he goes, I'm having the drug dealer bring drugs. And the guy saw it. And he was like, they told one of the staff members. And the staff members started searching my room. And there someone searching my room and then someone searching after them. So they were definitely fine. I had meth in the syringe. I just showed them where it is.

And the guy's like, thanks for showing me, the deal, you're gonna have to go to PAC, it's a lockdown. And I picked it out to show it to him and he hands it, he's like, give it to me. And I refused to give it to the staff member. And the look on his face was like, he never believed in a million years someone would refuse to hand over narcotics while in a treatment center, you know? And he's like, okay, here's your option. Security's gonna come and take you to PAC if you give it to me now, or we call the police. And this time I gave it to him, right?

David Manheim (01:04:42.924)
And so he leaves the room. were you like, you just didn't want to give it to him? No, I didn't want to give it to So when he said that, did you like sober up in your head and be like, I don't want him to call the police? so then I gave it to him. So what happened now is he leaves the room, security's on the way to take me to one of the lockdown wards. And I'm like, all right, I am going to book it. I have $20, right? And I can go get drunk.

And so I run out of the treatment center, not to return, not to come back. I just left, right? I go face- Wouldn't that been a charge? Yeah, let me get there. You'll hear this shit, right? So I go face- But you hand the fucking meth back. Yeah, they don't care. They wouldn't turn it in. They'll just throw it away. The treatment center won't. But I'm saying if you're gonna leave anyway to get drunk, why'd you give the meth back? Because they would call the cops. But wouldn't they call the cops for you leaving? No. Okay. So I run out of the treatment center.

And I go face a bottle of vodka, like straight face a fifth, which is impressive, you know? Like a lot, that's a lot, right? And there was this girl who was in one of the lockdown wards. Her name is Debbie, right? And then I call up, I call up Debbie, actually before I called up Debbie, I had a family member who was gonna be staying in the area and she was staying at a fancy hotel and she was supposed to be there in like two weeks. So I called up the fancy hotel

I said, hey, this is so-and-so pretending to be my sister, which they don't even question. No, I didn't even try that. I just said normal voice. And I said, was wondering if I could check in earlier. So you called as a woman with your No, I didn't call. I just called and just said I was my sister's name, which is actually kind of like an androgynous sort of name. And I was like, can I check in earlier? And they were like, do, do, do, do on the computer. they were like, OK, which means there's already a credit card on file. So I was like, can I check in tonight? And they're like, OK.

So was like, all right, I'll be there in an hour. So I'm outside the treatment center a few blocks away and I call the payphone in one of the lockdown wards with this girl I liked. Her name is Debbie. And the payphone was ringing. There's like 50 people in this lockdown ward. Phone answers. It happens to me, Debbie, who even answers the phone, which is amazing. Were you drunk already? Yeah, well, mean, was, onset was coming. And so Debbie answers the phone. Like, Debbie, you want to go get high at this hotel, right? And she's like, all right. She's like, what do do? I was like, well, I was like,

David Manheim (01:07:05.454)
run across the street I'll meet you." She's like, there's an alarm. So this was a lockdown ward where you could walk out but an alarm would go off. So hang up the phone, she runs outside, the alarm's going off, she runs across the street, a couple little orderlies come, they'll chase you like a little bit, but then she runs, we go to the hotel, check in at the hotel and I charge room vouchers to stay at the hotel, like gift certificates, and I'm trading those for drugs and just charging them to the room. How do do that? You go to the gift shop and you get a gift certificate made and you ask them to charge it to your room.

and I'm giving drug dealers vouchers to stay at the hotel. So what'd you get? I got heroin and ecstasy. And these heroin dealers wanted the vouchers at the hotel. Yeah, but I was extremely discounted. It was like a $300 voucher. got like $100 worth of drugs. Wow. Imagine the dealer when he comes back. Yeah. So anyway, so listen to this. So he could stay at the hotel with that? Yeah, he could use the voucher later on. So was he happy to do that? Yeah, they were fine with that.

I've traded stakes for heroin. So I'm doing drugs there. At this point, they figure out what happened and where I am. I've been there for like two days. they actually revoke my bail. This was instead of telling the judge what happened, they revoke my bail. This is my lawyer. And they send bounty hunters after me. So there's a ring at the doorbell. And I look outside the little peephole. Is it dog the bounty hunter? It was not dog the bounty hunter. It was actually just a little waiter.

with room service and I was like, I don't remember ordering room service. you were high. And I was high, yeah, and I high. And I opened the door and fucking as soon as opened the door these guys come in with tasers, get on the fucking floor, where's the drugs, was bounding them. They're scary dude. Come in, dude this chick I was with was so down and she knew if I got new charges. Downer? Yeah, she knew if I got new charges I was gonna do like 10 years. She's telling them the drugs are mine and they're in my pocket, you know?

I couldn't believe it, you know? But anyways, they didn't buy that. And so they go to take me to escort me to go to jail, right? And we're driving there and basically what my lawyer is going to say when I'm in custody on the day I'm supposed to turn myself in in front of the judge, I'd already be in custody, was that I decided to just go in early because I haven't got any new charges. instead, so they tried to just get me into jail so I don't commit a crime and get this massive prison sentence, right? Instead of the six months. So we're driving from LA County to Orange County.

David Manheim (01:09:33.102)
and I'm telling the bounty hunter, I said, look, they have the drugs and they're like going to turn it in. They're like, Mike, look, if you turn those drugs in, I'm going to go from doing a six month sentence to a 10 year sentence. Like, please don't turn them in. One of the guys, I'd been talking to them, they were nice guys. One of the guys was like, okay, we don't have to turn in. The other guy's like, no, I'm turning it in. Like that's what I do. You know what I mean? Like, and you're like, I'll give you a 300 hotel voucher and you can give it back to me right now.

And literally though, we get to the jail and the bounty hunter's boss, the guy who owns the company is there and because he works with my attorney, he says, not turn those rugs in. And the guy still is like, I'm going to turn them in, even though his boss is telling him not to. So I go show up, right? And they're like, you know, go to check myself in or whatever. They go to check me in and then they're like, and we found this on them and they put down syringes, know, balloons and ecstasy.

And the guy at the county jail, he sighs and he's like, what is this? And they're like, it's narcotics. And he's like, where'd you pick them up? And they're like in Pasadena. And they're like, that's LA County. They're like, you need to turn those in in LA County. Because they were just lazy and didn't want to process it. Or maybe they were supposed to. I don't know if they were just lazy. Maybe they were on your parents' payroll also. They were not on their parents' payroll.

But what happens is they couldn't turn it in because bounty hunters are supposed to notify the local police before they pick somebody up the way they picked me up. Because there could be a scene, which they didn't do. So I remember I'm getting like checked in to go away to do my sentence and they literally, I watched them throw it in the trash can outside the jail. So there's a- You got incredibly I am so fucking lucky. That's a crazy story. That's a god shot, right? I don't like that phrase.

Godshot. I don't think that's a Godshot. I think you got lucky. You know, I just played the tape and it was a Godshot. Dude, do you like that phrase, Godshot? I hate playing the tape. I think I hate Godshot more than play the tape. Well, Godshot was actually an impact thing. I remember. I think I learned that there. people say Godshot. just want to throw up. So look, this is a record. 56 minutes and 1697 bars. For those of you that are musically inclined. Just shut up. Do you think? Honestly, first of all,

David Manheim (01:11:53.166)
I have to commend you, because I don't think that I will tell a story that comes close. I don't think there is a story I have shooting hydroxy and what is it? Halazine, what is it? The anti-psychotic? The anti-psychotic they were giving me was Zyprexa when I would flip out. Zyprexa. They'd give me Haldol and Adaman. That's just like a fucking... This is why when I stole Brad's idea, I went to Chris. Because the scope...

of his mental illness, SMI, the scope of his severe mental illness and drug addiction and alcoholic brain is just, it is something to behold, I have to say. And I wish you guys could be here with me and give Chris the round of applause. don't know if that's applause worthy, I wouldn't say Dude, it is SMI.

Severe. Severe. Severe. I don't mean severe mental illness. I just think it's funny that you say SMI as severe mental illness. But this story, I cannot imagine you have one that can compete with this one. I have several. Like this? Yes. Fucking wow. That is... But that one is the worst because it was like... You're about to go a treatment. Yes, and you're going to jail. I just didn't give a fuck.

I am extremely lucky and grateful that I'm in one piece and alive right now. I'm so grateful for your health and well-being also. And also, really, you know, Godshot program, whatever you want to call it, at some point, Chris caught up with himself. And here we are. Amazing story, though.

Anyway, if you want to be on the show, write an email. If you want to tell us that the show is too long, the show is too short, the show should be about recovery, whatever, write an email to dopepodcast.gmail.com and thank you for listening. Thank you. Dobby

David Manheim (01:14:17.166)
So that was me and Chris in episode seven, 10 years ago, you know, maybe 10 years and 11 months ago or something like that. Maybe 10 years and 10 months ago, something like that. And I was not as nice to Chris as I wish I had been. But what are going to do? And at the end of the show, I talk about how grateful that he was still with us and that

all of the ridiculous things he had done hadn't killed him. And, you know, and I say this totally with love, but it was hadn't killed him yet. And I only say that because if anyone is listening that is out there going crazy, living it up in a way that is really dangerous, you might not make it. And then all of a sudden you're gone and that's it. And I just think the Chris episodes are so great.

His stories were great. Us together was great. The inspiration to do the show was great. But the fact that he's gone, makes it so nuts, powerful, sad, poignant. know, Chris is alive in his family's hearts, his friends' hearts, and on this show in the first 142 episodes. But besides that, he's not around.

And a lot of people, including me, and I'm sure a lot of you are very devastated over the fact that he's gone. I say that because I want anyone who's out there going nuts to please seek help if you can. Anyway, and I don't know, it was before I ever asked for comments on Spotify, there were three comments from last year on this episode. This is a year ago, Joe B wrote, he's absolutely right about the syringe. It's called, and he, this Joe B said a banky.

but Chris had a binky. The reason it made, the reason it made because the diabetic will go to sick call whenever their insulin is somehow, okay, when they take their insulin, somehow, someway they break the needle off all sneaky like, sneak it back and you do what you gotta do. I've seen one made from a milk bag. And then rcalledwell091 says, dude, Dave will not Chris.

David Manheim (01:16:39.97)
Dave will not let Chris finish even a sentence without interrupting. He has definitely gotten better as time has passed. Just started listening from the beginning after listening to current episodes for several months. I would get so excited back then. I apologize. Miss Megan Tamurgatroyd says, yeah, I love Dave, but he was driving me crazy at first. I think I'm just used to it now. Yeah, it was hard to get used to not interrupting everybody. Even in my family, we all interrupt each other, but

I'm getting better at it, doing my best. Please send in your stories. I hope you guys are doing great. Send in emails and voicemails and leave comments and follow us on social media and YouTube and there's some big dopey shit coming out and until we meet again tomorrow, stay strong everybody and fucking toodles for Chris.

Until I get some money in my pocket then I guess I'll just have to walk around my neighborhood But I wanna be good so bad Wanna be so good, bad, so bad I wanna be good so bad Bad desire's all I ever had

And I wanna take a ride up in the sky Watch those airplanes just pass me by And I wanna see a Lear, a Jetliner, take a dive Just to show all of these people what it means to be alive But I wanna be good so bad Wanna be so good, so bad, so bad I wanna be good so bad

Bad desire's all I ever had And my shadow's smaller and smaller And it's high noon where I stand The shadow's getting smaller and smaller And it's high noon where I stand And I wonder would they pay it any mind When I leave this busted city far behind

David Manheim (01:19:02.04)
I'll take the high road however far it winds Because peace and love are very, very, very hard to find And I wanna be good so bad Wanna be good so bad so bad I wanna be good so bad Bad desire's all I ever had And dammit all these suckers make me mad

And it's all I ever had And it's all I ever had And these suckers make me mad And I wanna call my dad And it's all I ever had And it's all I ever had And it's all I ever had And it's all I ever had And these suckers make me mad And it's all I ever had And I wanna call my dad And it's all I ever had And it's all I ever had And it's all I ever had