Timestamps
0:00 – Opening music
1:21 – Oro Recovery
2:48 – Welcome to Dopey and introducing Katey Sagal
3:43 – Luke from Philadelphia writes about rotating drugs and losing motivation
5:16 – What is pyrazolam?
7:41 – Luke asks how to rediscover joy in early sobriety
8:15 – Dave’s advice: assess dependence, seek medical help and get involved in recovery
10:07 – DopeyCon: October 3 at the SVA Theatre
10:44 – Mountainside Treatment Center
12:28 – Celebrating Ben Croxton’s Dopey episode
13:02 – Patreon reactions: crack, Ruby Tuesday, piercings and the Snickers story
17:08 – Why Dopey’s greatest guests may already be inside the community
19:33 – More Patreon reactions and Workit Health
21:59 – Spotify comments and a serious conversation about marijuana addiction
25:31 – Listeners celebrate Ben’s classic Dopey stories
27:15 – Sepsis, cellulitis, PICC lines and early-recovery encouragement
29:40 – More reactions to Ben and discussion of proposed kratom-product restrictions
30:38 – Recovery Unplugged
32:03 – Katey Sagal joins Dopey
33:14 – Beginning Married… with Children with only months of sobriety
34:30 – Finding another sober person on set
35:07 – Music as Katey’s first treatment for social anxiety
36:52 – Prescribed amphetamine diet pills at 14
38:03 – Her father’s role and growing up in a “generation of pills”
39:13 – Body image, body dysmorphia and recovery tools
40:08 – Norman Lear introduced Katey’s parents and became her godfather
41:36 – Losing both parents young and resisting the family acting business
43:40 – Teenage bands, older musicians and finding a surrogate family through music
45:01 – Cocaine, alcohol, Seconal and Percocet in the late-’70s and early-’80s music world
46:09 – Her mother’s prescriptions and stealing pills from the medicine cabinet
48:31 – Weight-loss clinics, Yellow Jackets and street speed
49:42 – Marrying a heroin user at 22
50:57 – Singing with Bob Dylan and being terrified in rehearsals
53:17 – Dinner with a shoeless Bob Dylan—and getting fired before the tour
55:35 – Touring with Bette Midler and functioning while constantly medicated
56:47 – How Katey missed the signs of her husband’s heroin addiction
58:03 – Trying heroin and using partners with worse addictions to minimize her own
59:10 – Knowing she had a drug problem by age 18 or 19
1:00:30 – Freebasing versus crack and the drugs Katey avoided
1:01:25 – Ketamine, psychedelics and control
1:02:49 – Aretha Franklin repeatedly appearing during acid trips
1:04:55 – Seeing God on acid and working at the Great American Food and Beverage Company
1:06:00 – Meeting Gene Simmons and landing her first record deal
1:07:18 – Bob Dylan, artistry and dinner at Something’s Fishy
1:09:42 – When cocaine entered the picture
1:12:14 – Chasing the original high and balancing uppers with downers
1:14:41 – Weekend cocaine runs begin stretching into three and four days
1:15:27 – Appearing on Columbo and getting her SAG card
1:17:04 – Failed record deals, addiction and reluctantly trying acting
1:19:29 – Working with Mary Tyler Moore while secretly using
1:20:38 – Finding AA while searching for her boyfriend Spider
1:23:05 – Relapsing in New York after five months in recovery
1:24:16 – Addiction overpowering discipline, talent and work ethic
1:26:41 – Katey’s sobriety date: August 6, 1986
1:27:31 – Married… with Children becomes an unexpected phenomenon
1:29:09 – Trying to sustain a music career while becoming internationally known as Peg Bundy
1:31:35 – Mall appearances, Peg Bundy and the show’s original working title
1:33:15 – Early recovery, sponsorship and quickly working all Twelve Steps
1:36:23 – Gratitude, service and rebuilding self-esteem through action
1:38:50 – Is service selfish if it also makes you feel better?
1:40:39 – Katey’s final encounter with Bob Dylan
1:42:00 – Psychedelics, spirituality and resistance to religious language in AA
1:45:23 – Dave’s turning point and what recovery gave back to him
1:46:39 – Futurama as comfort television for addicts, outsiders and insomniacs
1:48:58 – Why Dave could only watch Futurama while using heroin
1:51:23 – Meeting Kurt Sutter in a Twelve Step meeting
1:52:28 – Shopping, food and addiction’s continuing game of whack-a-mole
1:53:48 – Dangerous drug situations and channeling that darkness into Sons of Anarchy
1:55:09 – Meetings, sponsorship and passing on the program
1:56:16 – Why Katey also works an Al‑Anon program
1:59:22 – Boundaries, people-pleasing and putting your own oxygen mask on first
2:01:50 – Accepting that other people may not change
2:03:05 – Katey’s final thoughts on the Dopey experience
2:03:50 – SafeSpot, closing thoughts and fucking toodles for Chris
2:04:20 – Jake from West Virginia introduces his banjo cover
2:05:13 – “I Wanna Be Good So Bad” on banjo with a new third verse