My guest is Abby Martin, a journalist and documentarian. We explore the early years of internet culture (before big platforms and algorithms) back when Occupy Wall Street and 4chan were on the same side. This formative period gave birth to the first wave of an anti-establishment alternative media, where conspiracy theorists and radical anti-capitalists shared a similar online sphere.

We discuss Martin's new film "Earth's Greatest Enemy" (2026), now available to watch online: https://vimeo.com/ondemand/earthsgreatestenemy

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