Are you ready for a sharp turn? One minute we’re debating love languages, pickleball etiquette, and loyalty to your barber. Next, we sit down with a death doula/soul midwife who shares what dying feels like in the room, how to navigate grief, and the emotional realities of end-of-life care. She helps Mandy with a pressing question and a listener who asks how to support a friend with a terminal illness. There’s laughter, awkwardness, surprising honesty, and a reminder that joy can still exist even in life’s hardest moments.

Correction: The quote, "We're all here to walk each other home" is misattributed in our podcast. It’s by American spiritual teacher and author Ram Dass.

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Chapters:

00:00 - Coming Up: Pickleball drama, love languages & talking about death.

00:44 - One of us is hyper. It’s Mandy Patinkin. Plus, O Susanna with spoons. 

01:26 - What are the 5 love languages?

04:19 - Should you switch barbers or hairdressers? Where does loyalty come in?

09:55 - What are relationship pickleball rules when playing with your partner or spouse? 

14:03 - One of Kathryn Grody’s favourite childhood memories about Gideon.

14:16 - Mind Bowling LIVE!

16:16 - What does a death doula do? 

18:53 - How Elisabeth Kübler-Ross changed our thinking about dying and the stages of grief.

20:28 - Why we avoid talking about death — and why we shouldn’t.

22:05 - What are the biggest surprises about dying and end-of-life care? 

23:29 - A difficult end-of-life decision Mandy struggles with. What should I do with my body? 

29:17 - How can I support a friend with a terminal diagnosis?

33:33 - Why this conversation meant so much to Mandy.

35:18 - How does joy & humour play a role in death and end-of-life care? A moving story. 

39:55 - What is NEDA? The National End-of-Life Doula Alliance explained.

43:30 - Send us your questions. Goodbye. Credits.

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