More of my interview with 'The Punisher’ star Jon Bernthal. Jon tells me some moving stories from folks, including those who have been incarcerated, featured on his podcast, Real Ones. Plus, we reflect on chasing perfection and coping with insecurities in our stage work – me with TRU and him with Dog Day Afternoon. This episode was recorded at Cafe Cluny in NYC’s West Village.

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