Former NIH scientists Drs. Jennifer Troyer and Jeremy Berg join the show to discuss the history and accomplishments of the National Institutes of Health, highlighting how investments in basic scientific research support the health and well-being of the entire nation. They examine why it made political sense for the administration to attack the NIH immediately upon taking power, and break down the resulting damage.

The conversation also touches on statement shirts, featuring shout-outs to 27Unihted (https://27unihted.substack.com/), Stand Up for Science and the Bethesda Declaration (https://www.standupforscience.net/), and the Union of Concerned Scientists (https://www.ucs.org/).

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