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In Season Two’s final episode, Joe and Toni rank every song on the album and reveal the interconnected meanings of all the songs. Also, they discuss their favorite lyrics as well as Taylor’s top tools for telling stories, including her mastery of the word BUT and the hero’s journey.

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Life of a Showgirl: We rank every song BUT also reveal all of Swift’s storytelling secrets

Episode Description

Never lose your place, on any device