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Beatrice speaks with Nate Holdren about why deportation is wrong, period, and about what we lose when we limit our demands to appeals about "legality."

Find Nate's recent essays (mentioned at the top of the episode) here:

Hands Off! (Spectre Journal) - https://spectrejournal.com/hands-off/

Deportation is Wrong, Period (Little Village) - https://littlevillagemag.com/letter-to-the-editor-deportation-is-wrong-period/

FInd Nate's book, Injury Impoverished, here: https://bookshop.org/a/118130/9781108448666

Show links:

We're testing out a new Bookshop.org page (still under construction), where you can find books by past guests and book recommendations from the hosts. Find it here: bookshop.org/shop/deathpanel

Get Health Communism here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9781839765179

Outro by Time Wharp: timewharp.bandcamp.com/track/tezeta