Kevan Lee and Shannon Deep are cofounders of Bonfire, a traditional brand marketing agency that hosts not-so-traditional creative retreats. They make it their mission to ask what would you do, in work and life, if you made time to choose?

Alex, Chloe, Kevan, and Shannon cover a lot in this episode: is up-skilling worth it in this job market? How do you know which internal patterns are worth attending to? Most importantly, does anyone need to major in marketing to get a job in marketing?

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