In this Conflicted Conversation, Thomas discusses the true foundations of modernity with Clifton Crais, author of The Killing Age: How Violence Made the Modern World.

Clifton explains:

• The Mortecene as an alternative to the Anthropocene
• Why global violence accelerated after 1750
• How firearms destabilised traditional political orders
• The role of credit and debt in expanding slavery
• Global complicity beyond a simple West-versus-rest narrative
• The industrial destruction of whales, elephants and bison
• Vodun and other religious responses to predatory power
• What muskets can teach us about drones and AI

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Conflicted is a Message Heard production.

Executive Producers: Jake Warren & Max Warren.

Produced and edited by Thomas Small.

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