Filmmaker Judd Apatow feels very needy about being Conan O’Brien’s friend.

Judd sits down with Conan to discuss his new visual memoir Comedy Nerd: A Lifelong Obsession in Stories and Pictures, how auditioning for Jim Henson turned him away from stand-up, the books that educated his younger self on life, divorce, and how babies are made, and more. Plus, Conan follows up with his lawyer David Melmed for an example of a call to secure the rights to a popular song.

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