In this episode I talk with Christian Jenko for round two. We explore abstraction as the most important idea in software, Michael Singer's philosophy on consciousness and thoughts, whether AI can become conscious, and how our mental abstractions shape what we see in reality.

Links:

• Designing Object-Oriented Software by Rebecca Wirfs-Brock
• The Surrender Experiment by Michael A. Singer
• The Untethered Soul by Michael A. Singer
• Living Untethered by Michael A. Singer
• I Am a Strange Loop by Douglas Hofstadter
• A Thousand Brains by Jeff Hawkins
• Incognito: The Secret Lives of the Brain by David Eagleman
• The Emperor's New Mind by Roger Penrose
• Conjectures and Refutations by Karl Popper
• Being There: Putting Brain, Body, and World Together Again by Andy Clark
• On Looking: Eleven Walks with Expert Eyes by Alexandra Horowitz