We’ve been taught to stash our secrets. Passwords, credentials, and tokens shouldn’t be shared lest they fall into the wrong hands. When it comes to building and running large-scale systems, that thinking has to change. But maybe only a little bit.

Rosemary Wang and Steve Almy of HashiCorp share how business as usual for secrets management means putting your business at risk.

The guests featured in this episode work for HashiCorp, a Red Hat partner.