Ingrid interviews Rebecca about the origins of her book Beyond the Grind, revisiting the mid-1990s tech boom when she was a newly married mom balancing babies and a career, and how her turning point wasn’t failure but realizing that success shouldn’t be measured by endurance of exhaustion. Rebecca explains that burnout often whispers through slow depletion and can hide behind strong KPIs, with warning signs including reduced patience, diminished creativity, constant urgency, and being physically present while mentally stuck in the inbox. She urges leaders to ask not just whether work is getting done, but who they are becoming while doing it. They close on the business case for human sustainability: exhausted teams don’t innovate or make best decisions, and sustainability improves retention, engagement, adaptability, and reduces costly turnover given replacement hires take 12–18 months to show value.

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