Welcome to “opposite day” with Dr. Mary Spellman, Executive Director of the Fletcher Jones Foundation! In this fun episode, Mary explains why, in hard times, being a rule follower requires courage, the importance of doing the work and not just quieting the noise, that you can survive the difficult decisions, and why “getting back on the horse” is essential to leadership.

In the spirit of opposite day, we recorded Extra Credit first and included Mary in the chat. Listen in to find out who among us needs to repeatedly hit the alarm clock snooze button!

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