Adrian Goldberg talks to Zarina Zabrisky, who has covered Russia’s war in Ukraine from Odessa, Kiev and the frontline in Kherson, where she identified the ‘human safari’ drone warfare on civilians being waged by Putin’s troops. Sergiy Kashylov, a Ukrainian exiled in the UK also joins the conversation.

Produced in Birmingham, UK by Adrian Goldberg.

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