In episode 34, Kevin chats with Kevin Clark, host of "This is Football" from ESPN and Omaha Productions, and former NFL writer at The Ringer and the Wall Street Journal. The first "Kevin" to appear as a guest, Clark recalls the first podcast he listened to — and how it influenced his own podcast — and his early days writing, from being an agate clerk at the Chicago Tribune to an internship in his home state of Florida. Clark offers valuable perspective on the industry and advice to those who are getting started. Hear how Kevin Clark broke in.