In episode 39, Kevin chats with Dan Rubenstein, co-host of "The Solid Verbal," the largest independent college football podcast. Rubenstein and Ty Hildenbrandt have hosted the podcast since 2008, and Rubenstein will tell that origin story, how they found each other at Sports Illustrated and how they got their podcast off the ground. He also discusses how driving scripts around Hollywood as an intern led him to start out on his own, filming videos at college football tailgates, and how that niche helped him get his start in sports media. Hear how Dan Rubenstein broke in.