We sit down with Dr Yakoob Ahmed for a deep conversation on how modernity quietly reshaped the Muslim mind, and why so much of what we call "modern history" is built on myths, assumptions, and power.

We explore how colonisation and the nation state rewired Muslim memory, identity, and imagination, how the idea of "objective history" can become a trap, and what it takes to recover a more honest, grounded way of understanding our past without nostalgia, propaganda, or performative outrage.

We discuss:

- How modernity changed the way Muslims see themselves and their history

- The nation state, colonisation, and the editing of collective memory

- The myth of "neutral" history, and who gets to define what is true

- Why progress narratives can distort the Muslim past

- How to study history with adab, humility, and intellectual honesty

- Practical ways to rebuild historical consciousness today

Timestamps

00:00 Intro

00:10 Welcome, meeting Dr Yakoob Ahmed

01:23 Why this conversation matters, Muslim historians, background

04:15 Studying history in the West, "leaving God outside the classroom"

09:39 "History from above", centering Allah, hidden assumptions in academia

15:37 What is history, memory, identity, lived experience

23:14 Man orientated vs iman orientated history, nuance, darkness, realism

26:49 Romantic visions of the past, hero narratives, Salahuddin, Mahdi

29:32 Can we write history about recent events, Palestine and living memory

32:41 Erased local Muslim histories, Far East examples (Philippines etc)

35:12 Fiction, film, propaganda, and myth making (Padmavati example)

41:47 Moral lesson stories vs history, how we read Umar narratives

43:20 The trap of "objective" modern history

45:52 Gatekeepers, language, and how historians judge sources

51:14 How Muslims tend to read history, moral lessons vs fiqh vs patterns

54:15 Progress myths and teleology, Rasulullah as the compass

56:58 Modernity and time, clocks, industrial time vs sacred time

1:12:07 Can Muslims imagine again, beyond inferiority and apology

1:17:03 "The human" category, who counts as human in modern narratives

1:21:29 Linking stories across the Ummah, Ottoman, Mughal connections

1:29:49 Japanese "fake Muslims", spies, and forgotten interconnections

1:41:48 Colonial apologetics, language barriers, and modern history framing

1:45:05 The internet changed everything, publishing outside the academy

1:52:47 Writing the book post Gazza, emotion, hope, agency

1:57:59 Ottoman archery, craft, discipline, lived tradition

2:07:08 The cave question, 3 people you would hang out with

2:12:13 Wrap up and outro