On this week’s special Christmas episode of Black Man Spy, Malcolm Nance speaks with comedian, Tik Toker and theologian, Jessica DeCou, aka @veronicaandthebabyboo. She and Malcolm discuss Erika Kirk's stages of grief, what Jesus would make of the world in 2025 and how she went from making cat videos to political and religious commentary.

Check out Jessica's TikTok, @veronicaandthebabyboo here: https://www.tiktok.com/@veronicaandthebabyboo?lang=en

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